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Post by jpadkins »

dangus wrote: post #107
JuniperMesos wrote: post #100

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What adverse health implications from vaping are there?

Still being studied, but the idea that it’s safe seems to be a very odd default. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/health-effects.html Why would your default assumption be that putting foreign (and poorly regulated) substances into your lungs is more likely than not safe? This is especially true since it’s a drug that doesn’t even have much claim to fame for positive recreational or medicinal benefits.

vapor has been used for medicine delivery for a long time, especially for patients who can't swallow pills.

Also gov regulation is not the only form of regulation. Fear of getting sued by your customers into bankruptcy is an effective regulation on putting harmful substances into your vape.

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Post by elzbardico »

CarVac wrote: post #128
elzbardico wrote: post #111

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But here the space also have the role of serving as a crumple zone in case of frontal collisions

If you can put something in it it doesn't count as crumple zone and the car has to be engineered with a separate crumple zone anyway.

Yeah, but not many people have the habit of hauling solid I-beams of steel in their "frunks".

I don't really believe the average groceries load will add that much rigidity to this space as deny its function as a crumple zone.

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Post by Gravityloss »

mpyne wrote: post #64
Someone wrote: post #28

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> Apparently people smoked on submarines for a while. More than ‘a while’. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4344412/ : “In the mid 1970s smoking was allowed virtually everywhere; by 2000 there were only two allowable smoking areas-each approximately 6 feet by 6 feet-one in the engine room and one up forward. […] In 2009, a working group was established to prepare for a December 31, 2010 deadline for prohibiti…

My time in submarines at sea just coincided with the last few years where smoking on submarines was still authorized. It was awful, just awful. Especially in a space as cramped as a submarine and with a common ventilation system, you can't just put the smokers in a convenient spot all to themselves, they're always going to be near something the rest of the crew needs to access.

I bet some individuals would bring back smoking in submarines in a heartbeat, if offered suitable sponsoring...

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Post by grishka »

gwbas1c wrote: post #42

One interesting lesson from airships is about disruption and how people take old assumptions into new paradigms. Today we're used to being on plans for short periods of time. We get on, sit down, wait, and then arrive at our destination. Airships came about when long distance travel meant you were spending multiple days in a vehicle, either a train or boat. An airship was a place that was set up for you to spend a fe…

Long-distance trains in Russia are still like that. They often have a dedicated restaurant carriage.

Though I don't know who would want to spend a week traveling from Moscow to Vladivostok on a train when you can just fly, and that'll be cheaper as well.

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Post by devilbunny »

gwbas1c wrote: post #185
devilbunny wrote: post #125

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I don’t dislike electric cars, but I don’t poop every 3 hours, and it doesn’t take 30 minutes to do so. When EVs can reliably (including charging infrastructure) do charging as fast as ICE refuels, with 300 miles/500 km between 20-80%, they will win with most people in the US and Canada. Otherwise, we just drive too far, too often. It’s not far off. But until then, it’s not truly a replacement for ICE. Yes, I really…

Well, you clearly have no sense of humor. In all seriousness, all you need to do is take bathroom breaks at chargers. That's all it takes, and you can't hold it for 300 miles.

Eh, my response was about as funny as the original joke.

Seriously, though, don’t drink anything and you won’t have to pee. That’s only 4 hours.

There’s usually one stop an hour or two after leaving, but after that? I typically don’t eat or drink anything if there’s distance to cover. Refuel, get back on the road. I can eat when I get there.

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Post by devilbunny »

gmac wrote: post #179
devilbunny wrote: post #125

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I don’t dislike electric cars, but I don’t poop every 3 hours, and it doesn’t take 30 minutes to do so. When EVs can reliably (including charging infrastructure) do charging as fast as ICE refuels, with 300 miles/500 km between 20-80%, they will win with most people in the US and Canada. Otherwise, we just drive too far, too often. It’s not far off. But until then, it’s not truly a replacement for ICE. Yes, I really…

Do you really find you can reliably sustain your full attention that long? My EV can do 3 – 5 hours on the motorway between charges (depending on weather conditions and speed), but to avoid fatigue I always want a break within 3 hours or so. And by the time I've parked, gone inside, queued up for and drunk a tea or coffee, used the facilities, and checked the next leg of my trip, that's half an hour and the car is re…

> parked, gone inside, queued up for and drunk a tea or coffee, used the facilities, and checked the next leg of my trip

You and I have very, very different approaches to driving long distances. I don’t get drinks, I don’t eat. So except for once, a couple of hours after departure, no bathroom breaks.l

5 hours between charges at a steady 75-80 mph (120-130 km/h) would be impressive range, though.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

GJim wrote: post #174
paulryanrogers wrote: post #58

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Amazing that lighters are allowed in the cabin

They're hardly more dangerous than a lithium battery!

Can a flick of the thumb create a flame with the kinds of lithium-ion batteries allowed on planes?

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Post by IAmBroom »

7jjjjjjj wrote: post #154
RobotToaster wrote: post #68

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Fun fact, the air quality on aeroplanes got worse after they banned smoking, because they could cut costs by re-circulating the same air for longer.

Recirculated air is still a thousand times cleaner than air with cigarette smoke in it.

You are naively assuming the only really dangerous part of recirculated air is nicotine byproducts.

Bacteria and virus loads are far more dangerous. Cigarettes take longer than a couple weeks to kill.

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Post by IAmBroom »

dangus wrote: post #57
kortilla wrote: post #25

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That’s still getting a handle on it. Vaping is not good but it’s significantly better than the tar that comes from burning cigarettes

In the context of the alternative which was “nobody really smokes or vapes” it’s not really a good outcome. Sure, smoking rates cratered. It was great. But now vaping rates have gone up and it just didn’t have to happen that way at all. Go back a few years and less people vaped with similarly low smoking rates. Vaping didn’t replace smoking, its net new usage.

Citation needed.

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Post by IAmBroom »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #96
Waterluvian wrote: post #5

It’s really amazing just what extent people went to in order to smoke. Apparently people smoked on submarines for a while. And planes. And everywhere else. Smoking is just such a disease and it feels like only now are we kind of getting a handle on it.

> It’s really amazing just what extent people went to in order to smoke. My parents' generation, the boomers, weren't really aware that smoking was bad. Even if some knew, I feel like it was mostly hidden from them. Look at any movie they'd watch in the west when they were young, people would be smoking everywhere: inside offices, inside cars, public servants at the town hall, etc. Smokers everywhere. Once the studie…

Endurance, a documentary novel about the Shackleton adventure, detailed a list of horrible things they endured: their leather clothes and sleeping bags rotting, subsistence on penguin meat cooked over penguin-fat-fueled stoves, frequent visits to the borderlines of hypothermia and frostbite...

But it seemed like The Day The Tobacco Ran Out was the hardest of all for them to endure.

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