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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by hananova »

intended wrote: post #171
pixel_popping wrote: post #146

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I don't have enough expertise in this field but I don't think we should be thinking only with a doomsday scenario, humans are quite resilient and innovative, society will completely change and I genuinely believe we will find ways, there will be a lot of suffering in between (and maybe after as well, as there is now) but we might eventually reach a point in automation where a lot of prices drop to the point where it'…

> but we might eventually reach a point in automation where a lot of prices drop to the point where it's virtually free, food could be included, It took two world wars till we had an aberrational period where the middle class actually had lives which were good. UBI can’t happen because governments globally don't have the money to pay for it. Its good to hope, but the details aren’t in favor.

Well if AI keeps cannibalizing jobs, governments will HAVE to find a way to make UBI works. If they do not there will be deadly riots as people lose their livelihoods.

There will simply have to be a solution, whether or not it’s deemed “impossible.”

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by rainsford »

xg15 wrote: post #103
ianm218 wrote: post #73

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Isn't it bad now that Sam Altman and the others are backpedaling on this and going "jobs are going to still exist you just can't imagine them!" because the PR problem was getting so big? [1] Like don't we want people running these companies to be honest to the public rather than misdirection? [1]. https://www.platformer.news/sam-altman-ai-backlash/

> "jobs are going to still exist you just can't imagine them!" Ironically, this makes even less sense. If (ostensibly) the goal of developing LLMs was so we can all create more while working less, but he also assures us there will be just as much work in the future, then what was the point of this tech in the first place?

I am by no means defending Sam Altman here, but it's roughly the same value proposition as every productivity enhancing technology. Creating more even if you don't end up working less means at the end of the day we all still have more. There are certainly potential problems when it comes to how that "more" is distributed, among other issues, but things that increase human productivity tend to go along with increases in quality of life even if it doesn't mean you get a bunch more free time to sit on the beach drinking Mai Tais.

And truthfully those productivity enhancements mean that you probably could indeed work less, as long as you're willing to also forgo the standard of living improvements that go along with them. The idea of the digital nomad living in some incredibly cheap but less than advanced country is based on exactly this concept. But a lot of people aren't willing to do that, nor should they feel compelled to. Working the same 40 hours a week while making more stuff seems perfectly reasonable.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by y8lylylg »

Sh0000reZ wrote: post #83
pesus wrote: post #40

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How am I going to do any of that when I can't pay the bills and become homeless? That's what actually happens when you don't have jobs.

At this point money is essentially a social construct. None of the billionaires have a Scrooge McDuck vault full of gold coins. Think ST:TNG; automation makes enough stuff. Why worry about money? So focus on political action then; log off this VC funded freebie intended to ameliorate your feelings about the rich owners and operators of this site, and do like they do; tell government to make things right by you or we…

yes thank god for visionaries like you who use fictional tv shows as a reference for their politics. the final frontier is what is inside your head.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by rainsford »

torben-friis wrote: post #88
spijdar wrote: post #62

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> comes out of the same mindset that has turned a neat technology into a banal hellscape for consumers and employees I'm going to say up front that I'm not as familiar with this period of history as I should be, but -- would it be totally unfair to say the same of the "Industrial Revolution"? I'm not gonna say they're equivalent by any means, but my understanding is the "Industrial Revolution" was hellish for many pe…

The public can't see any trains, electricity, concrete or glass windows, they see employment going away as workers and zero benefit as consumers. Maybe AI enables great inventions in a decade, but for now the only appeal is that multinational corporations get to fire workers and everything's filled with slop. Of course they're not happy.

I suspect many people during the Industrial Revolution weren't seeing those end products either, only a total upending of their way of life and means of earning a living. And to be fair, many of them probably didn't experience enough of the upside in their lives to make up for the shock of the transition. Ideally this time around we can make that shock less painful, but I'm skeptical.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by whatshisface »

Sh0000reZ wrote: post #181
whatshisface wrote: post #107

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How would improved standards and reliability make the AI alternative to white collar jobs less appealing?

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Quality standards benefit the buyers, who on the face of it are corporations replacing representative's constituents with capital investments not made in their districts, not the constituents themselves. I would expect there to be support for limiting quality somehow, maybe by enforcing copyright law (actually legal training datasets are a lot harder to obtain). Regulatory burdens do obstruct commercial investment, but the burden primarily falls on small participants who in the AI market are far from posing a threat to employment. Only the largest firms can threaten the wage and salary model of organization.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by altairprime »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #110
altairprime wrote: post #84

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Social media isn’t always about consuming content . It’s also about getting jolts of momentary joy and reward. You get those in two ways: seeing cool things, and participating in cool things. Especially cool things before they go viral. Clicking like on a post that isn’t viral yet , and gambling to yourself whether it will go viral, has the same dopamine flux when it pays off as winning at the slots. Even my reward-d…

The vote counting thing can be interesting. There's the classic "I wish facebook had a dislike button" or the equivalent for twitter. But in the thread-based forum context, removing the downvote has interesting effects. For one, it stops people who down-vote-brigade to lower visibility. It also stops the "I don't like that guy" engagement and works on a more positive "I appreciated this comment" mode. It's not one-si…

Oh, I have no objection to the voting buttons — just to us users being able to see the underlying numerical outcomes of us using them.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by smetannik »

perarneng wrote: post #167

Governments and companies are so bad at selling AI to the population.The reason is the elephant in the room. Everyone or at least most understand the consequences. You can't sit and be amazed at the speed an AI does tasks and not be able to extrapolate what that would mean for jobs.

They're selling it to investors. Population isn't their client.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pibaker »

altairprime wrote: post #84
mywacaday wrote: post #55

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My great hope for AI is that it kills social media by making 99% of content and comments untrustworthy and not worth consuming.

Social media isn’t always about consuming content . It’s also about getting jolts of momentary joy and reward. You get those in two ways: seeing cool things, and participating in cool things. Especially cool things before they go viral. Clicking like on a post that isn’t viral yet , and gambling to yourself whether it will go viral, has the same dopamine flux when it pays off as winning at the slots. Even my reward-d…

By stopping integer counts do you mean not collecting upvotes and downvotes at all or just not displaying them?

If it is the later, I think it can be an interesting experiment, although I doubt it matters that much because you can still gauge the "engagement" based on how your posts rank. But there is absolutely no way HN could work if posts and submissions stop being sorted based on their votes. Community moderation via voting is what allows HN to remain functional despite having only two moderators. If votes stopped mattering for a week then HN will likely be flooded with spam by day two and the experiment will be halted by day three.

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Post by tardedmeme »

pixel_popping wrote: post #165
piva00 wrote: post #150

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RSA is not UBI, UBI literally means Universal Basic Income, it's not for no income/low income people, it's universal. You are conflating the concept of UBI with social welfare, they are different things and it's a bit annoying to see the erosion of the UBI concept into social welfare, I've noticed an uptick of this the past year or so, no idea where it's originating from...

Agreed I butchered it, but what is the concrete difference right now for someone that has no job (so where UBI is relevant) with social welfare and "UBI" if in the end, that person gets a monthly income that is somehow guaranteed?

The concrete difference is simple: you don't have to spend most of your life convincing the government that you deserve to continue getting money. If you've ever interacted with a welfare system, you'll know. They work much better on paper than in real life.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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