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Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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People here like it, but end-to-end encryption is an objectively worse user experience for people that don't care about that feature

To me part of using E2EE is not because I have something to hide but because I have friends who work in human rights that do have something to hide.

I think of it not as a consumer feature but rather quite foundational for a working democracy.

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Your links say that Apple complies with the laws of major countries. Which companies don’t do that?

Signal is one example. Their values are simply not compatible with what the Chinese government wants (local data storage, key access, etc.). Instead of complying and putting their users' privacy at risk, they accepted the ban. Google, out of all companies, also decided to partially walk away from the Chinese market in 2010 over censorship concerns [1]. Nobody is forcing Apple to do business in China, or the UK. They…

Signal responds to warrants with all the the data they keep.

ProtonMail / ProtonVPN responds to the vast majority of warrants with the data they keep.

Apple iCloud always responded to iCloud warrants with whatever data they had (eg. If the user didn’t enable encryption). They shouldn’t have removed end-to-end encryption for the UK, but they have thousands of employees in that country and millions of customers.

Sometimes it’s not the company that is the problem, but the country / legislators.

Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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With reproducible builds like Signal does you can be sure the app you've downloaded matches the source code that's been audited: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/blob/main/reprod...

So what? The centralized owner owns the code repo too, so such a restriction doesn't stop anything. Even if Instagram was open source, Meta could remove the E2E chat feature.

If it was open source people could fork.

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“But I want my freedom, I want to install whatever I want, bad Apple for locking down my devices away from me.” They stay rather secure because of all these measures. But they’ll get dismantled, too. Because idiots push idiots in power to weaken Apple’s stance. Useful idiots is the right term.

Being in a prison cell is a great way to avoid traffic accidents, I agree.

It’s people like you who go in the dark forest because “the prison is tight”, get mugged, then complain that the sheriff doesn’t operate there. Call it a prison cell, or a fortified city. Whatever, dude…

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Being in a prison cell is a great way to avoid traffic accidents, I agree.

It’s people like you who go in the dark forest because “the prison is tight”, get mugged, then complain that the sheriff doesn’t operate there. Call it a prison cell, or a fortified city. Whatever, dude…

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How is it a worse experience? It's ridiculously simple: The app sends a public key to the person you're talking to. The end user doesn't even need to notice it. What am I missing here?

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm

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I’m less impressed with Zuck every time I hear something new about him. Apple has made incredible progress in the last 20 years, but almost none of that has been a brand new product. It has all been evolving the existing products and on building the world’s best supply chain and rearing incredible market share from Windows. To be clear, AirPods are a much bigger market than Nike shoes. Those, plus Apple Watch, iPad a…

Anything groundbreaking in advertising? Meta ad tools are pretty granular. (Looking for anything here!)

Facebook “allowed” Cambridge-Analytica to Hoover up a massive amount of psychometric data on US voters before the 2016 election (ins care quotes because they “allowed” it in the sense they prevented it by policy but did nothing significant to deter the data collection at scale).

I would argue that FB’s bigger wins have been in being the first app / website to get perhaps 50% of the world population using it, and also the Herculean effort it took to moderate that’s volume of content (whether or not you agree that moderation was the right choice or successful).

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How is it a worse experience? It's ridiculously simple: The app sends a public key to the person you're talking to. The end user doesn't even need to notice it. What am I missing here?

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm

Okay fair enough, Signal's end-to-end encryption is a lot more complex than that but really how is it a terrible end user experience?

Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

#199

People here like it, but end-to-end encryption is an objectively worse user experience for people that don't care about that feature

To me part of using E2EE is not because I have something to hide but because I have friends who work in human rights that do have something to hide. I think of it not as a consumer feature but rather quite foundational for a working democracy.

FWIW I totally understand the reasons for e2ee and think it's good that options exist for that. Just saying that if you're a user that doesn't care about that, then there are usability trade-offs you're dealing with

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I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm

Okay fair enough, Signal's end-to-end encryption is a lot more complex than that but really how is it a terrible end user experience?

It's not terrible. It's just worse in some areas. Which is of course a worthwhile trade-off for many people. Just... Some people don't really care about the privacy part
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