'So what are we gonna do with those thousands of people, who changed the UI and could be fired? Let's make them roll whole controls idea back'
Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
The low fuel, low wiper fluid, and forward collision warnings sound like they were all implemented a little clumsily. What do you think the best implementation would look like? Seems it would still have to strike a balance. It's dangerous to tell the driver they're low on fuel if we distract them. But it's also dangerous for a driver to run out of fuel on the highway if we didn't catch their attention. Also guessing…
> a little clumsily s/a little/very/; > What do you think the best implementation would look like? We already had one! Dashboard indicator lamps have been an international standard (ISO 2575) since 1982. > But it's also dangerous for a driver to run out of fuel on the highway if we didn't catch their attention. Yes, it is. But the key word is "if". The product folks involved in making these UI/UX decisions were more…
I wanted to acknowledge the user likely has above average faculties. “why would anyone use Dropbox,” “you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem”.
Zero times I’ve run out of gas. Don’t we pass someone walking with a gas can on the highway every year though? Dangerous, slightly safer if you use the fuel delivery service from AAA.
I admit I do not know quantitatively e.g. how popular that included-with-membership free 5 gallons (AAA).
Probably a million features I’d spend money on before trying to “fix” the fuel light though!
Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons
#193'He also explained that "I'm a big believer in screens, because I really believe if you want to connect, you have to make the magic work behind the screen." ' I am a big believer in keeping "product people" away from UI design for dangerous machinery. The eyes and the attention of the driver should be on the road. All the audio visual noise from the car is just plain dangerous. I don't want my car to draw my attentio…
People already keep their eyes on their phones when driving, so it’s not like car screens are introducing a new hazard. If anything, they are an opportunity to replace some of the functions of the phone and make them safer, understanding most people will never exercise safe driving habits.
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#194I really like what Jony Ive did with Ferrari. It’s the perfect blend of digital and analog instruments. High quality material and finishing. Many of these German car companies are following what sells well in Chinese markets, more and more screens. IMO, nothing beats the feeling and assurance of tactile buttons/toggles/knobs.
Fingers crossed the Chinese eventually figure out the screens are the mark of cheapness, and start demanding 100% physical controls.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
The low fuel, low wiper fluid, and forward collision warnings sound like they were all implemented a little clumsily. What do you think the best implementation would look like? Seems it would still have to strike a balance. It's dangerous to tell the driver they're low on fuel if we distract them. But it's also dangerous for a driver to run out of fuel on the highway if we didn't catch their attention. Also guessing…
> a little clumsily s/a little/very/; > What do you think the best implementation would look like? We already had one! Dashboard indicator lamps have been an international standard (ISO 2575) since 1982. > But it's also dangerous for a driver to run out of fuel on the highway if we didn't catch their attention. Yes, it is. But the key word is "if". The product folks involved in making these UI/UX decisions were more…
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Non-trivial for me to re-create dropbox.
I want a unique quiet ding when the gas light comes on and when I turn the car on with low gas.
Thank you for challenging me! Have to reflect.
Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons
#196Without physical buttons, it always seems risky.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sadly marketing drones think everybody wants a Tesla-style "everything is a screen" design whereas a 1999 Toyota pretty much had it right. they also had to redesign the door handle and people have gotten stuck in the cars because of that and died. not just one isolated incident... more than one case of the car door not working because it's electrical only and the backup physical release mechanism is under a door pa…
What the fsck possessed manufacturers to come up with that stupid recessed door handle? I think I might actually hate that more than touch screen climate controls.
Chasing very tiny fuel (or battery) efficiency gains.
Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons
#198'He also explained that "I'm a big believer in screens, because I really believe if you want to connect, you have to make the magic work behind the screen." ' I am a big believer in keeping "product people" away from UI design for dangerous machinery. The eyes and the attention of the driver should be on the road. All the audio visual noise from the car is just plain dangerous. I don't want my car to draw my attentio…
People already keep their eyes on their phones when driving, so it’s not like car screens are introducing a new hazard. If anything, they are an opportunity to replace some of the functions of the phone and make them safer, understanding most people will never exercise safe driving habits.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sadly marketing drones think everybody wants a Tesla-style "everything is a screen" design whereas a 1999 Toyota pretty much had it right. they also had to redesign the door handle and people have gotten stuck in the cars because of that and died. not just one isolated incident... more than one case of the car door not working because it's electrical only and the backup physical release mechanism is under a door pa…
What the fsck possessed manufacturers to come up with that stupid recessed door handle? I think I might actually hate that more than touch screen climate controls.
c_w
(mostly design clout though)
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#200Though I don’t own one, I’m fortunate enough to occasionally be able to drive around a “Benz”. It’s my dad’s. Over here we prefer saying “Benz” rather than “Mercedes”. It’s a W212 E-Class, bought new just a few months before the all new generation hit the market. It has no touchscreen. But the UI/UX is terrible anyway. My dad still has no idea how to bring up the tire pressure monitoring screen, for example. Using th…
I also own a W212 E-Class, which I purchased used a few years ago specifically because it's the ideal balance of features I care about (e.g., heated seats and the ability to play MP3 files) without most of the ones I hate (touchscreens and subscription services).
Despite being nearly a decade old at the time of purchase, it was in nearly perfect condition, well-maintained, had low mileage, and had already faced most of the depreciation it ever would.