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Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Post by lostlogin »

xxs wrote: post #173
malfist wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? Not everything is a sign of deception. Even if it is the case, and not simple an omission to focus the narrative, does it matter? Case fans pull what 4 watts? 5 watts? Who cares if it pulls 200 milliwatts more than a competitor when it's cooling a GPU and CPU that consume more than a hundred times what it can consume

>Case fans pull what 4 watts? 5 watts? That's really high. Like usually they are 100-150mA (so sub 2W) Lots of controllers would be 1A max. The tolerances are for noise mostly. I'd consider the noise (and longevity) the single most important part of fans (else most fans can spin close to 3k rpm and cool)

Very high. A Mac mini averages about 6w all up. Though with that fan it would sure run cool.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Post by lostlogin »

monster_truck wrote: post #190
randerson wrote: post #125

I love Noctua, and just wish they'd branch out from PCs and build more types of fans. Our lives are filled with so much irritating noise from noisy fans. Air conditioners, kitchen extractors, hair dryers, box fans, air purifiers, vacuum cleaners, leaf blowers, car climate control & radiator fans, just to name a few. I'd happily pay a premium for quieter things.

I'm not sure what you're expecting but it simply isn't possible to move the volumes of air those things utilize without making noise. I would suggest taking that money and buying larger speakers

I don’t think we need complete silence? Surely we can have something better?

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Post by kllrnohj »

lostlogin wrote: post #191
xxs wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Case fans pull what 4 watts? 5 watts? That's really high. Like usually they are 100-150mA (so sub 2W) Lots of controllers would be 1A max. The tolerances are for noise mostly. I'd consider the noise (and longevity) the single most important part of fans (else most fans can spin close to 3k rpm and cool)

Very high. A Mac mini averages about 6w all up. Though with that fan it would sure run cool.

A mac mini uses a lot more than 6w under load. 2024 M4 base mac mini has a rated max of 65W[1] and the M4 more than doubles that number to 140w

1: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103253

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

#195

Post by NBJack »

wolvoleo wrote: post #58
fxtentacle wrote: post #38

This is content marketing executed perfectly :) Reading it, I learned something new and interesting and they had an opportunity to show off one of their differentiators against the competition (low leakage flow due to tighter tolerances) and then at the end they casually mention the new product that has just opened for pre-orders.

Yeah it's more marketing than anything IMO.

Not all marketing is bad. Many of the beloved cartoons from decades ago were meant as marketing materials for toys and various kid items (i.e. lunch boxes). It doesn't mean it's automatically soulless.

In this case, I finally understand why they chose their most iconic colors, and appreciate the time they take on precision engineering.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

#196

Post by monster_truck »

j16sdiz wrote: post #2

If you need that kind of precision, yes. But I don't think they really need that.

You must not be familiar with the iPPC 3000's. A single 120mm fan moves more air than the exhaust fan in your bathroom. The 140mm encroaches on kitchen fan territory (158cfm). At static pressures slightly higher than what either of those typically has, 24/7, for years.

They're not toys. If you stick your finger into one of these it does not peacefully come to a halt, the tip of your finger gets buzzsawed off and then it stops about halfway through your fingernail.

(The i stands for industrial)

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Post by kllrnohj »

malfist wrote: post #156
maxerickson wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems a little revealing that they tout the clearance and not the difference in efficiency.

Does it? Not everything is a sign of deception. Even if it is the case, and not simple an omission to focus the narrative, does it matter? Case fans pull what 4 watts? 5 watts? Who cares if it pulls 200 milliwatts more than a competitor when it's cooling a GPU and CPU that consume more than a hundred times what it can consume

The specific fan in question has a rated max power draw of 1.8 W. In actual deployments it's going to be a lot less since ~nobody is running a noctua fan at 100% speed unconditionally

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Post by randerson »

monster_truck wrote: post #190
randerson wrote: post #125

I love Noctua, and just wish they'd branch out from PCs and build more types of fans. Our lives are filled with so much irritating noise from noisy fans. Air conditioners, kitchen extractors, hair dryers, box fans, air purifiers, vacuum cleaners, leaf blowers, car climate control & radiator fans, just to name a few. I'd happily pay a premium for quieter things.

I'm not sure what you're expecting but it simply isn't possible to move the volumes of air those things utilize without making noise. I would suggest taking that money and buying larger speakers

I'm just expecting a reduction in volume, vibration, and unpleasant resonance.

In any of these categories you can already find some machines are quieter than others despite comparable air flows. So its definitely possible to reduce noise through clever engineering and precision manufacturing.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Post by kllrnohj »

maxerickson wrote: post #142
fxtentacle wrote: post #38

This is content marketing executed perfectly :) Reading it, I learned something new and interesting and they had an opportunity to show off one of their differentiators against the competition (low leakage flow due to tighter tolerances) and then at the end they casually mention the new product that has just opened for pre-orders.

Seems a little revealing that they tout the clearance and not the difference in efficiency.

Fan tip clearance is the main driver of fan efficiency at the price bracket this fan is competing at
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