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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by estimator7292 »

als0 wrote: post #45
zx8080 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> obvious alternatives First of all, in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11 (except Apple). For example, even if a model supports Linux in the US as many Lenovo Thinkpads do, in Singapore it's just not sold without Windows. Second, Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI. Bettery life is shit now, and hibernate is disabled by default in…

> Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI > Sleep s3 is needed, but Microsoft killed it. Would you or someone else here mind explaining this?

The bit we all care about: S3 is sleep mode proper. Most everything is physically powered off, only enough is kept on to keep contents of RAM alive.

S0 is.. just on. The PC is completely powered up. Microsoft has done this so that they can force your computer to wake itself up to install updates you don't want. Literally you aren't allowed to turn off your computer because some middle manager needs to see update stats go up. If your computer happens to be in a bag and cooks itself to death, well that's your problem. Fuck you for trying to keep Microsoft's statistics down.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by gosub100 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #149
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

This has been Microsoft’s playbook since the 90s. You talk about this as if it’s something new and people should have trusted them before.

90s microsoft was awesome for the user. what are you talking about? NT4, MSDN, DirectX. they weren't perfect, but the UX was amazing.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by gosub100 »

globalnode wrote: post #79
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

been on linux for a month now, i found the exit and stepped through it. the pain points change from getting shafted by m$ to doing research and learning how to make the system work. at least the second option gives me some agency, and now its all set up i wish i had of switched sooner! ive got to say valve is doing the lords work, along with all the other linux enthusiasts.

as a long time linux user, my advice is : make backups , and don't mess with your system too much. Definitely take OS updates every few months, but don't chase the perfect utopia of UX. at least, buy another computer that you tweak and test on. If you break your main PC, it's very unpleasant and frustrating to fix.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by realo »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #94
mdavid626 wrote: post #91

I literraly can’t name one feature since Windows 7 what was worth it, even on the contrary: every update made the system worse. I had to restore Notepad, Calculator and Paint from Windows 7. What the hell Microsoft?

WSL is a great feature and was a part of Windows 10.

WSL 1 was a piece of garbage.

WSL 2 is supposed to be a VM ... all problems solved ... until they aren't.

Hint: try to use normal USB stuff natively (Linux) in WSL 2 ...

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by orphea »

lelanthran wrote: post #168
sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

> Edit: yes, I can use Linux but I have decades of Windows muscle memory and I do a bunch of DirectX programming. I shouldn't have to switch :) Understood. However, your choices are: 1. Keep complaining while paying $$$ for the privilege of complaining. 2. Switch to something else. My tolerance level is much lower than yours (I switched my daily driver around 1998), obviously...

  paying $$$
There arrr the ways (depending on one's moral compass)

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by alaudet »

sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

Have you considered Linux on bare metal and a Windows VM for your coding? Two monitor setup and you can have Windows on one side when working then all your other daily stuff is in Linux. Shared drives and clipboards make things pretty easy.

Also just debloat the Windows install, why are you suffering with Co-Pilot? I have a VM running on Proxmox and I rdp to it from Linux when needed, but daily use, no way and honestly there really is no reason to put all your eggs in the Windows basket in this day and age.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by renegade-otter »

cbdevidal wrote: post #105
sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

Also years of Windows muscle memory here, especially the keyboard shortcuts. I’ve used Windows since 1997. I’ve decided I’m done. A new PC arrives in a month. It’ll be running Ubuntu. I’m done. Maybe there is a Linux language similar to DirectX you might transition to? Maybe test code in a VM? (Although that gets you right back into Win11.)

Same. I used to develop Windows apps with Borland C++ once, that's how old I am. Last year, I finally installed a second Linux Mint boot - for Windows games!

The level of disregard for quality from MS is just obnoxious. We are really crossing some kind of line here, I think, where taking the pain of migrating once seems easier than dealing with all this nonsense.

(I had to clean install Windows after that infamous update with system check infinite loop at boot time).

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by w4rh4wk5 »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #120
cbdevidal wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also years of Windows muscle memory here, especially the keyboard shortcuts. I’ve used Windows since 1997. I’ve decided I’m done. A new PC arrives in a month. It’ll be running Ubuntu. I’m done. Maybe there is a Linux language similar to DirectX you might transition to? Maybe test code in a VM? (Although that gets you right back into Win11.)

> Maybe there is a Linux language similar to DirectX you might transition to? Yes: DirectX. Just make sure that it runs in Wine or Proton. Nit: DirectX is a bunch of APIs and libraries, not a language. Same for Wine and Proton.

DXVK works great for DirectX 11. However, it's rather annoying to debug through this intermediate layer. I wouldn't recommend this for development.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by Leonard_of_Q »

jdw64 wrote: post #2

I really like Windows. I just wish Copilot could be made fully optional. Honestly, I can live with Windows 11 being a little slow, and I can deal with File Explorer issues. I can write my own tools to manage some of that, and PowerShell is simple enough for many tasks. Those parts do not bother me that much. What bothers me is Copilot being pushed into the operating system experience itself. I wish it could simply be…

> I can live with Windows 11 being a little slow

Why accept mediocrity when Microsoft has shown to be capable of producing something better than their current iteration of Windows? Whether you prefer Windows 2000 or XP or 7 or one of the server versions over 10/11, all of those were in many ways 'better' than 11.

> I can deal with File Explorer issues

Again, why? It is not as if those issues are the result of Microsoft adding something useable or worthwhile, they're just the result of MS adding even more ballast to an already overburdened system.

> I can write my own tools to manage some of that

Yes, you can, and...

> PowerShell is simple enough for many tasks

...so you're getting to experience the power of the shell like *nix-users have been espousing for more than half a century now. Welcome to the club and welcome to the CLI. Here we use words to communicate instead of pictures, we outgrew those once we left play school.

If you want to use Windows just use one of the previous versions as long as you can while preparing to move over to the greener Wine-yards in Linux-land. Unless there is a big shake-up within Microsoft - unlikely - it looks like Windows as an operating system is a dead-end street. It will be turned into a straight jacket where you will comply with whatever the current business plan dictates. Escape while you still can I'd say, there are many alternatives on offer.

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