About time, this was crazy and should result in some action against cloudflare for allowing it
You can’t punish companies for court order against them. Thats insane
Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cloudflare are actively involved in publishing this content — they are equivalent to the hosting provider.
Not true, they just proxy the pirating sites to their true host. They have about the same responsability as the ISP themselves. Maybe you want Cloudflare to decide what to proxy and what to block without a judge ordering it.
Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content, provide Ddos protections, WAF,...
Cloudflare does.
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#193Wait, so a private company in the business of men kicking balls around a field was able to make this happen without government support?! How?
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think you're not faithfully trying to adopt their perspective here I think you're not seeing the bigger picture. Somehow La Liga (a private company) was able to convince the courts that it should be able to ban IPs almost in real-time without any oversight from the law. This is just insane in a modern democracy and only benefitted La Liga. Certainly not the population of Spain for whom the courts work for. Time h…
> Blocking IPs was never going to do much to solve the issue. It's a wack-a-mole game. But that in their mind is "solving the issue, at that time". Why do you think they want to expand it to other sports now, because "doesn't do anything" or because they actually see some effect from it? > Blocking one of the biggest providers of internet infra was anything but "the least amount of collateral". Plenty of companies an…
If there’s no reasonable alternative that satisfies their “something must be done” without creating massive negative consequences for the rest of society, then in fact something must not be done, and the large corporate entity will either have to settle for not making as much money as they think they’re entitled to or figure out some other way to recapture those viewers.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally, myself I have been greatly impacted by this measures. Several services of mine were unavailable because LaLiga said so. No notification, no justification, they block and that's all. It has been a shame since the beginning.
What would it look like if you sued La Liga for using their lawful blocking power in a way that injured you?
The legal system in many countries is very, very different from that is the US (or UK).
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#196That a sports league was empowered by the courts to do this in first place is buck wild to me. I live in America, so it's not like I'm unaccustomed to the government giving preferential treatment to corporations but I cannot fathom a court allowing the NFL to tell ISPs to block IPs across the entire country.
America produces many things more valuable than the NFL, is the difference. LaLiga is presently the single most valuable brand in Spain. When e.g. Google asks low-polarization parts of the government for things, it frequently gets them.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the one hand, I would tend to agree that making things painful enough might force people to stop ignoring and improve things. On the other, after seeing waves hands at everything since 2016 makes me very skeptical of accelerationism: sometimes things just get worse and worse, there's no bottom to bounce from. Or maybe we just never really hit rock bottom?
Given much of the internet today, I'm not sure if a pan-EU level blocklist on all of cloudflare (damaging as that would be) would even be worse than the status-quo, let alone rock bottom.
That'd likely lead to Cloudflare not being used much in the EU if the service is frequently disrupted. That could be a good thing to prevent their monopoly.
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They have deep pockets for dragging this on much longer than you can afford it.
I doubt that will work outside of the U.S.A.
I think it’s a universal tactic. Maybe it’s even more extreme in the US (what isn’t), but you can drag court proceedings on pretty much anywhere there are courts and legal costs.