if everyone were rational, and knew everyone else would act rationally, then obvious answer is to pick red, because everyone would pick red, and hence everyone would survive.
If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and yes. Without the core of blue workers, red people will need to open Atlas Shrugged about how to assign short order cook duty.
I don’t think short order cooks are know for being that especially emphatic. Along with most of the folks who “do stuff”—build roads, maintain power lines, etc.
So that Galt's Gulch could source a short order cook, Ayn Rank explained that a renown philosopher gave up his career to become one.
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#193Silly. Everyone will press the red button and everyone will survive.
Yes, that's (overly reductively stated) the point of TFA. Except for the part where it was highlighting a survey result to the contrary, and explaining why this is irrational and doesn't likely reflect what people would actually do. The idea behind claiming you'd choose the blue button is to appear noble and altruistic, I suppose; but I struggle to even understand that instinct. Risking one's own life to possibly sav…
Either I live with a restored faith in humanity, or I die and it's none of my concern.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why would those pick blue? They have the same incentive to just pick red.
I wonder if red choosers really don’t understand that they are choosing to live in a world where half of all people, the more selfless half, are dead. It’s like living through a nuclear war except all of the nice people are gone, not just a random sample
Technically for red to win the number of dead people will be between 0% and 49.999% of the population.
The entire reason to campaign for red is to reduce the dead percentage.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think most of the people who pick blue would be empathic, loving people that are just kind of bad at game theory. I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out.
> I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out. So the blue side would also include the people who are good at game theory...
Blue side definitely includes the population of people that would rather die than live in a world without blues and fully understand the consequences of that choice.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think most of the people who pick blue would be empathic, loving people that are just kind of bad at game theory. I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out.
There’s no bad outcome for choosing red. The empathetic option is to convince everyone to vote red and that choosing blue is dumb.
The bad outcome for choosing red is that people that choose blue die.
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#197Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive
#198I feel like this is some sort of butchered metaphor because in a vacuum just picking a color that has no context or effect outside of the experiment framing is really easy. But it’s not that simple if there are some externalities. Say, red guarantees your survival but there’s 50% chance your pet will die. Or every red choice has a 10% flipping one red choice among your friends and family to blue. Now it’s not just a selfish choice but a choice with a known downside. This is a much more interesting game to play. Maybe even a more realistic one.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it worse? Wouldn't the red people end up with more like-minded red people?
I think most of the people who pick blue would be empathic, loving people that are just kind of bad at game theory. I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out.
On the other hand, maybe a world where everyone who is bad at game theory is dead is a better world to live in, regardless of how nice or empathetic they are.
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#200One extra consideration I haven't seen flagged: if you pick Red and the blue pressers die then everyone who's left alive definitely pressed Red. Then there will be a society-wide tacit agreement that this was a fine thing to do, blue pressers were all dumb and had it coming, and no-one needs to feel bad about it. So you won't even need to feel guilty.
First they came for the blue button pressers, and I did not speak out.
Red button pressing is killing people that didn't think/act like them. You don't need to feel guilty about it, because this type of thing happens all the time.