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Post by big_toast »

elijahwright wrote: post #112

And so Vannevar Bush’s legacy slips away from us all…

Interesting history. From the wiki:

"A Senate bill was introduced in February 1947 to create the National Science Foundation (NSF) to replace the OSRD. This bill favored most of the features advocated by Bush, including the controversial administration by an autonomous scientific board. The bill passed the Senate and the House, but was pocket vetoed by Truman on August 6, on the grounds that the administrative officers were not properly responsible to either the president or Congress."

Also mentions the preceding organization OSRD (Office of Scientific Research & Development) and that they had tried to exempt it from conflict of interest regulations.

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Post by rexpop »

fionic wrote: post #147
krapp wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This entire thread has swiftly descended upon by bots, shills and sockpuppets. It'll be flagged before any hope of finding good faith conversation in the morass. It's wild how efficient they are, sometimes.

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> this is not a welcome place for genuine discussion

You're either a propagandist or a useful idiot.

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Post by fionic »

melvinram wrote: post #114
fionic wrote: post #87

There’s a lot of political commentary in these threads about how dumb the admin is this and that, sarcasm, etc. but is anyone able to share why this is such a truly beneficial org to our country? I’m just out of the loop on this and I’m genuinely asking, I have never really heard of them. But by the reactions in the comments they’re like the most blessed org of our country and accelerate innovation and advancement of…

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Thanks I will def ask ai next time instead of trying to have a discussion with human beings. This is the most helpful answer yet. I will tell ChatGPT to call me dumb and other derogatory names and shame me too so it can feel more like hacker news.

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Post by JuniperMesos »

butAlso wrote: post #93
jmyeet wrote: post #26

It's just own-goal after owl-goal with this administration. Federal research funding (NIH, NSF, etc) becomes economic power. I personally think the government should get a return on their research dollars but basically federally funded research has been given away to private companies since 1980 [1]. Interestingly, the Bayh-Dole Act was signed by president Jimmy Carter in a lame duck Congress after Ronald Reagan's el…

I have colleagues and friends around the world who are done with Americans over the lack of meaningful political action It's not just American right wingers turning off the world. The world sees how unexceptionally gen pop reacts in the US as our local politics destabilize everyone America is a normal country now. All the WW2 heroes are dead and soldiers since were imperialist aggressors. We don't dare worship Vietna…

> To billions of exploited sweatshop workers the average American is not much better than the billionaires.

Then it's extremely important to prevent those sweatshop workers from immigrating to the US (legally or illegally), where they and their natural-born citizen descendants will vote against the interests of the average American.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

lacy_tinpot wrote: post #148
huxley wrote: post #70

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Oh they’ll be replaced, by toadies and GOP Youth interns looking for a salary and resume boost

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We're just telling you what the President says! It's his explicit position, which he repeats constantly, that everyone in the government should be personally loyal to him and never do anything he doesn't want them to do. If you'd prefer for his side not to be full of toadies, you'll have to take it up with him; he's making a conscious decision to do things that way.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

readitalready wrote: post #150

I'm OK with it. You're supposed to destroy countries that are committing genocide. And Trump is doing that for us without us even firing a shot. And I really do believe Trump wants to destroy the US, as his base are not aligned with the liberal democratic values that are led by racist genocidal maniacs anyways. There really is no moral defense of the US at this point, given the last few years of the genocide it is ac…

What I find amusing is how cheaply Trump is profiting. He and his family will have made a handful of billions of dollars, whilst costing the US an incalculable number of trillions over the next few decades.

Trump will have been an incredibly cheap victory for whichever new superpowers emerge.

I half expect the entire Trump family to move to Dubai in 2029.

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Post by dekhn »

fionic wrote: post #135
stevemk14ebr wrote: post #102

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> It’s just a foundation? Please just let me know We are each responsible for learning ourselves, and we live in a time where that is easier than ever. I find it odd your default position is to assume it is not important.

My default position is not to assume it’s not important. I’m actually assuming it’s important from everyone’s negative comments. So since I don’t know much about what sort of advancements they’re engineering ( no one is really answering the question specifically I guess bc I can definitely wiki search them too.) so I want to know historically what have they improved and funded that has benefited society etc. so yeah…

The platform you're using- a website on the Internet- was funded for, and developed by, NSF (many other orgs contributed). They played a critical role in the 1980s when the net was in a period of tremendous growth. They helped enable the transition of the internet from a military/academic research project into a huge driver of the economy. That's just one example but they played critical role in developing many other science and technology.

I find in conversations like these, if I don't know something fundamental like the NSF's role in American science, it's pretty easy to do a short bit of research before commenting. It's not bad to ask questions, but I figure if the question has a basic factual answer in wikipedia, it's best to start there.

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Post by solid_fuel »

joe_mamba wrote: post #117
throwaway27448 wrote: post #77

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Most people in china are not members of the CPC. And yes, they clearly are more competent.

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> The country has a social credit score

Yeah that is concerning. Glad the US doesn't have any sort of credit scoring system that might make it hard to get out of poverty. That would be really scary. Imagine if you had to pass a credit check to get an apartment!

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