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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by williamstein »

0x_rs wrote: post #152
mil22 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equally, will offering a presumably unprofitably large quota of Codex tokens at $20 to retain non-enterprise customers turn out to be the right move for OpenAI? Would not be surprised to see OpenAI follow suit. Or perhaps OpenAI's LLMs are just so more compute efficient that they can actually offer that sustainably...

Feels to me it's a battle between who has the most compute. OpenAI does not seem to be struggling with their x2 usage on the new 100 Plan, which is very close to unlimited usage with the best performing model on the highest reasoning setting. Not mentioning the resets every 1 million customers, or the other generous usage multipliers last months. Meanwhile Anthropic seems to be desperately trying to cut down on infer…

What does " Not mentioning the resets every 1 million customers" mean?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by SwellJoe »

Why would you even want a Claude subscription if not for Claude Code? Anthropic is obviously the best for programming, but probably nowhere else. Seems like a good way to onboard people to the Claude Code experience...everyone who's working seriously with it needs Opus, anyway. But, maybe that's the rub, if the Pro plan includes no Opus usage (which I think has always been the case), you might have a worse impression of Claude Code. Codex 5.4 is better than Sonnet, but not better than Opus.

I dunno, I'm no business genius, but I think we're starting to see these companies try to find ways to make money instead of losing it.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by colechristensen »

I assume this has to do with the $20 tier now running out of provisioned tokens so quickly as to be not particularly useful, giving users a bad experience.

The million token context + reduced caching period + new models using more tokens made this a probably unpopular but perhaps unavoidable development.

There's a hard problem here balancing costs and experience. I'm afraid despite the bad experience for people that this is necessary and $20/month was just too big a loss to sustain.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by zmmmmm »

It would signal quite a fundamental pivot if their "Pro" plan excludes coding but supports personal productivity (Cowork). Quite surprising given most people attribute Anthropic's success to their elevation of coding above everything else. To have casual users locked out of that would be a major hit you would think.

Makes me curious about the internal thinking. One theory being they are in a capacity crisis and knocking Pro users off Claude Code is an emergency brake getting pulled. But an opposite theory is it's a revenue move and they think they have the lock in to pull it off. Especially if they are building up to IPO.

Interestingly the Team subscription which is still $20/month/seat still includes Claude Code. But you need minimum 5 seats. So it could be a way to force people off individual plans and into enterprise plans where possibly things scale better for them, especially IPO/wise. When one user wants it in a company, probably they go buy 5 seats.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by abeindoria »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #126

Anthropic clearly doesn't understand that customers see their brand as "Claude", Google's brand as "Gemini" and OpenAI's brand as "ChatGPT." They have so many plans and exclusions that they risk customer confusion. I was surprised when I was pay $200/month for Claude Code, finding it super helpful, and then I had to pay separately to get API access for an experiment. Why are so many parts of "Claude" separate from ea…

>or they risk customers jumping to easier to understand platforms that are good enough.

https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-raises-30-billion-s...

I reckon they'll be fine. Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but they have enough customers who won't leave.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by vehemenz »

Kaotique wrote: post #166

They will lose the individual subscribers for sure. My day job can pay up to the roof for ai access in this climate but personally I cannot.

Believe me, plenty of "day jobs" are already stretching to pay for $20/mo for their users.

Others in non-tech sectors are forced to use Copilot. Who knows what I would pay for a usable LLM out of my own pocket. Probably more than $200.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by 0x_rs »

williamstein wrote: post #191
0x_rs wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels to me it's a battle between who has the most compute. OpenAI does not seem to be struggling with their x2 usage on the new 100 Plan, which is very close to unlimited usage with the best performing model on the highest reasoning setting. Not mentioning the resets every 1 million customers, or the other generous usage multipliers last months. Meanwhile Anthropic seems to be desperately trying to cut down on infer…

What does " Not mentioning the resets every 1 million customers" mean?

>To celebrate 3 million weekly codex users, we are resetting usage limits.

>We will do this every million users up to 10 million.

>Happy building!

https://x.com/sama/status/2041658719839383945

Last reset today, after the 4 million users milestone.

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