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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#192Well that's clear as mud.
I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products.
I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to know.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
The open models may not be as great but maybe these are good enough. AI users can switch when the prices rise before it becomes sustainable for (some) of the large LLM providers.
Currently it costs so much more to host an open model than it costs to subscribe to a much better hosted model. Which suggests it’s being massively subsidised still.
Efficiency goes way up with concurrent requests, so not necessarily subsidy, could just be economy of scale.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity
^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes. Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.
There are bad products and ones that are never used, just to paraphrase. Every single decision of any business gets derided by some segments of its users. You are free to call out Anthropic for anything you are unhappy about, and you are free to switch vendor, but calling them “good” or “bad” just shows your emotional immaturity, or bias.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Boiling the frog is an art form. You've got to know when to turn up the heat and when to let it simmer.
Don’t know, I feel like I’ve watched every tech company get through every controversy without consequence. Google when they merged YouTube and Google+, Reddit multiple times, Facebook after countless scandals. Microsoft destroying windows and pushing ads. At the end of the day a solid product and company can withstand online controversy.
At the end of the day, unenforced anti-competition regulations can bulldoze controversies.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But the problem is, they have no moat I disagree very strongly with this, both anecdotally and in the data - subscriptions are growing in all frontier providers; anecdata is right here in HN when you look around almost everyone is talking about CC, codex is a distant second, and completely anecdotally I personally strictly prefer GPT 5.3+ models for backend work and Opus for frontend; Gemini reviews everything that…
You're actually reinforcing my point. Models are interchangable and easy to switch between to adjust based on needs and costs. That means that no individual model / model provider has any sort of serious moat. If tomorrow Kimi release a model better at something, you'd switch to it.
It's likely that Chinese models will get regulatory knee-capped at some point, and the domestic labs all have pretty common costs they need to make up. This creates an environment where they match each other as prices climb. Unless Google/Meta suffocates the startups since they have actual cash flow that is non-AI.
Sure you can go local, but lets be real, that would be <1% of users.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#197My OpenClaw assistant (who's been using Claude) lost all his personality over the last week, and couldn't figure out how to do things he never had any issues doing.
I racked up about $28 worth of usage and then it just stopped consuming anymore, so I don't know if there was some other issue, but it was persistent.
I got sick of it and used a migration script to move my assistant's history and personality to a claude code config. With the new remote exec stuff, I've got the old functionality back without needing to worry about how bleeding-edge and prone to failure OpenClaw is.
I feel like this is what their plan was all along -- put enough strain and friction on the hobbyist space that people are incentivized to move over to their proprietary solution. It's probably a safer choice anyway -- though I'm sure both are equally vibe-coded.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#198I got sick of the inconsistency caused by Anthropic tinkering with Claude Code and had canceled my 20x. My plan was to switch to Codex so I could use it in Pi. I am specifically talking about switching because of the harness, not model quality. Anyone else match my experience? I wonder how many other people recently did the same. It would be prudent of Anthropic to let people use Pro/Max OAuth tokens with other harne…
(Disclosure: I work on tamer, an OSS supervisor for coding agents — biased.)
Add one more to the count. The OAuth-across-harnesses idea would help, but it doesn't fix the shape of the problem.
"Harness" has always felt off to me. Exoskeleton is closer — Claude Code, Codex, opencode wrap the model and augment it from the inside.
What's missing is a layer above that's explicitly not an exoskeleton: a thin supervisor. A master that watches and guides, nothing more. It just relays I/O and hands approval back to the human.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#199Anthropic keeps conflating two distinct strategies — be the best model for developers to build on, or be the company that ships Claude Code. Those two have opposite policy conclusions. Restricting third-party harnesses maximizes Claude Code revenue; allowing them maximizes model-layer lock-in through developer habit. The whiplash is the symptom of not picking. Pick for crying out loud!
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#200Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.
If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).
It is nobody's responsibility to ensure billion dollar companies are profitable. Use them until local models are good enough