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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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Post by notepad0x90 »

Grimblewald wrote: post #124
notepad0x90 wrote: post #88

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Nuremberg was only possible because Germany was invaded succesfully by allied forces. All this war crime talk is nonsense. Either talk about sending your own children to war against Israel, or criticize them in other real terms. There are no war crimes against countries who don't recognize the ICJ, and even then, unless the judiciary of the country is consenting, a war crime charge isn't pursued. It isn't a competiti…

I mean, I'll take being allowed to boycott israel and call their genocide a genocide in my supposedly sovereign country, without getting arrested over it.

Can you please do the same thing with the same fervent passion against all countries that do this. From the US and Russia, to Sudan.

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Post by SilverElfin »

happymellon wrote: post #142
SilverElfin wrote: post #132

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United States citizens are not indigenous to the region. Native Americans are, and the continuation of the indinginous peoples culture. People who have taken over the area and now call themselves "American" are just laying claim by making up a new identity.

I agree.

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Post by notepad0x90 »

troad wrote: post #116
notepad0x90 wrote: post #82

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compared to whom? how does one measure that purity? certainly Hammas is more pure in those terms, not that it is a competition (but you're alluding that it is).

They all suck. There are no good polities in the Middle East. At this stage into the genocide-counter-genocide cycle, there are no clean hands left. We need to switch to renewables asap, and just withdraw completely from the Middle East. They all want to kill one another for fanatical or ethnic reasons, and we clearly have no capacity to stop them. We should insulate ourselves from the region and restrict any involve…

it's a bit too late, might even make things worse when all the petro-states start going hungry and desperate. I suspect in the timeframe it takes to wean off of oil as fuel source, there will be other resource issues arising such as water and climate-driven migration.

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

voxl wrote: post #42
22122 wrote: post #38

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as long as people keep voting for politicians that are complicit with pro zionist policies

Part of the problem is the conflation of Zionism with genocidal government. There is no room for nuiance. A Zionist can want Israelites to live in peace where they currently are and not harm others, and certainly not commit horrible atrocities against other people. Yet, even this kind of Zionist is under their own genocidal threat, "from the river to the sea", and instead of their being a sensible perspective of "may…

Actions, not words. Otherwise we'd be believing that a certain political party in the 40s Germany was simply all about work setting you free.

Zionists have showed what they are about through their actions ever since establishing their ethnosupremacist state. And they showed that genocide is not a red line to them over the past 2 and a half years. What they say they are about on paper is no longer relevant.

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Post by khaledh »

SilverElfin wrote: post #135
Supermancho wrote: post #58

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What part? eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ott... ?

All of it? Islam literally calls for violence and oppression of anyone who isn’t a Muslim. It’s literally in the Quran. Islam spread to many of the regions it is now in through invasion and genocidal violence. For example, they colonized India before Europeans did. They have completely erased the previous cultures and ethnic groups of the North African countries. Etc.

This is categorically false. The Quran explicitly says "There is no compulsion in religion". It teaches Muslims to say "You have your religion, and I have my religion". It tells Muslims to fight only those who fight them and "do not exceed the limits". In fact, it says God does not forbid Muslims from dealing "kindly and fairly" with non-Muslims who have not fought or expelled them.

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

SilverElfin wrote: post #132
aibrahem wrote: post #56

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From the beginning, the founders of the Zionist movement were completely on board with the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians from their lands to establish the Israeli state.

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Let's confirm your claim through DNA tests to establish ancestry of Israelis and Palestinians.

Oh, they're banned in Israel?! Why would they possibly be banned?? Could it be that...

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Post by notepad0x90 »

mxkopy wrote: post #183
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #112

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The hypothetical “right to exist” is typically juxtaposed against its adversaries’ rights/efforts/privilege to wipe them off the face of the earth. If a nation-state, or ethnoreligious group, has rights, then efforts to destroy it would not gain popular support. Do ethnoreligious groups have a right to survival without suffering genocide? Does the international community, or Security Council, have a duty to prevent g…

You confuse nation state and people in this question. Yes the international community has an obligation to prevent genocide, and the destruction of a nation state if that coincides with the destruction of its people, but these things are not necessarily the same. The Security Council has no obligation to prevent a peaceful union of two states that would make one or both of them cease to exist. Nation states do not ha…

> Yes the international community has an obligation to prevent genocide, and the destruction of a nation state if that coincides with the destruction of its people

No, it does not. That's not how sovereignty works. nation states' obligations are only towards their own nation. Even honoring of treaties is expected only in so far as it is in the best interest of their nation to do so. There is no grand human coalition that has an obligation to intervene on behalf of the innocent being harmed by wars and genocide. it's a nice idea, but consent of the governed and all. Those people would have to first get their government to consent to participating under organizations like the ICJ.

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

mxkopy wrote: post #183
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #112

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The hypothetical “right to exist” is typically juxtaposed against its adversaries’ rights/efforts/privilege to wipe them off the face of the earth. If a nation-state, or ethnoreligious group, has rights, then efforts to destroy it would not gain popular support. Do ethnoreligious groups have a right to survival without suffering genocide? Does the international community, or Security Council, have a duty to prevent g…

You confuse nation state and people in this question. Yes the international community has an obligation to prevent genocide, and the destruction of a nation state if that coincides with the destruction of its people, but these things are not necessarily the same. The Security Council has no obligation to prevent a peaceful union of two states that would make one or both of them cease to exist. Nation states do not ha…

I’m not confused, but perhaps Zionists are.

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Post by deaux »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #184
deaux wrote: post #170

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> Isn't it precisely the anti-zionist sentiment you eschew that resulted in the Oct 7 attacks by Hammas Bringing this up in 2026 when it's abundantly clear there's zero chance the IDF had no idea about the planning of Oct 7, and didn't just let it happen, means there's no point having a conversation. When it's so well known that Israel is the one who have propped up Hamas. > In an interview with Politico in 2023, for…

Whether the IDF knew about the attack or not does not change anything for the argument i made. Unless you're claiming they orchestrated it.

The quotes I gave you from Israeli leadership unfortunately do change everything for the argument you made.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #148
chistev wrote: post #134

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What is Israel's reason for all this? Can someone explain their side of the argument, as it is?

What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument? Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes. (Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill naz…

> [What is Israel's side of the argument?] What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument?

All of these countries but one have launched invasions within the past ten years. What's the obsession with China?

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