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Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Post by computershit »

embedding-shape wrote: post #73
thomas_gauvin wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blog author chiming in here: We have reserved IPs for Email Service and will be protecting the reputation and fighting spam from originating on Email Service. If we did not do so, our IPs would get flagged and then emails end up in spam or not delivered. That defeats the purpose of having a transactional Email Service. We're well aware of this.

Will you also do this for other spammers using Cloudflare infrastructure, or just specifically for this email product? > For years, Spamhaus has observed abusive activity facilitated by Cloudflare’s various services. Cybercriminals have been exploiting these legitimate services to mask activities and enhance their malicious operations, a tactic referred to as living off trusted services (LOTS) [2]. > With 1201 unreso…

> 10.05% of all domains listed on Spamhaus’s Domain Blocklist...are on Cloudflare nameservers

Not defending spammers, but this comes across a smidge naive considering Cloudflare's overall footprint in the modern internet.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Post by i_think_so »

wang_li wrote: post #96
thomas_gauvin wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blog author chiming in here: We have reserved IPs for Email Service and will be protecting the reputation and fighting spam from originating on Email Service. If we did not do so, our IPs would get flagged and then emails end up in spam or not delivered. That defeats the purpose of having a transactional Email Service. We're well aware of this.

I think you should put your money where your mouth is. For each spam message sent to a recipient server, you send $1000 to the recipient.

Make that penalty $1 per (so the discussion can be taken seriously) and I will not only support your proposal, I'll volunteer my time and effort in encouraging Congresscritters to vote for it.

There are serious financial penalties for robocallers who violate the Do Not Call list (in America, at least). Let's update those laws for the 21st century, shall we?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#193

Post by [deleted] »

Meekro wrote: post #93
embedding-shape wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will you also do this for other spammers using Cloudflare infrastructure, or just specifically for this email product? > For years, Spamhaus has observed abusive activity facilitated by Cloudflare’s various services. Cybercriminals have been exploiting these legitimate services to mask activities and enhance their malicious operations, a tactic referred to as living off trusted services (LOTS) [2]. > With 1201 unreso…

I would note that Cloudflare has been doing better-- the SBL listings page mentioned in that article[1] shows only 47 active complaints, down from 1201 when the article was written 2 years ago. Many of those complaints are stale, too: I spot-checked a few (referencing the domains fireplacecoffee.com and expansionus.com) and the domains are expired and not being hosted by anyone. [1] https://check.spamhaus.org/sbl/lis…

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Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#194

Post by slig »

agentifysh wrote: post #185

so I have to ask, what is the pricing? This solves a major annoyance of having to use Resend. I just want to be able to send some confirmation emails but I have to pay extra for each domain I add. I am ready to migrate to Cloudflare Email Service if the pricing is competitive. It's next to impossible to get approved on Amazon SES now vs 10 years ago. I don't know why its so ridiculous difficult to use it for transact…

See https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/platform/pri...

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#195

Post by i_think_so »

password4321 wrote: post #58
Meekro wrote: post #41

I'm not sure why this announcement has generated so much irritation in the comments-- Cloudflare has been transitioning from "DDoS protection" to "AWS competitor" for many years now, and this is just their alternative to AWS SES. It's an email sender that you can access through an API, or directly through Workers. For those who haven't been keeping up over the years, Workers is their product for running code on Cloud…

Cloudflare is spending years of goodwill earned through technical skill, trending towards AI enshittification starting with their blog posts and vibe coded features/products.

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Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#196

Post by tentacleuno »

magguzu wrote: post #167
navigate8310 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used their email relay services to forward it to my Microsoft account, every forward is rejected by Microsoft due to spam generated by Cloudflare. So I don't have much faith at least in their email services.

This isn't unique to Cloudflare. Microsoft email spam filter absolutely sucks. I hit it a lot too from my small provider.

I recall them actually marking Microsoft emails as spam. Not sure if that's even changed.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#197

Post by jiveturkey »

Meekro wrote: post #41

I'm not sure why this announcement has generated so much irritation in the comments-- Cloudflare has been transitioning from "DDoS protection" to "AWS competitor" for many years now, and this is just their alternative to AWS SES. It's an email sender that you can access through an API, or directly through Workers. For those who haven't been keeping up over the years, Workers is their product for running code on Cloud…

> One thing that surprised me is the [high] price [vs SES for example]

Not sure if you read the announcement closely:

> Sending email that actually reaches inboxes usually means wrestling with SPF, DKIM, and DMARC records. When you add your domain to Email Service, we configure all of it automatically. Your emails are authenticated and delivered, not flagged as spam.

this service is batteries included. SES is not.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#198

Post by TurdF3rguson »

arpinum wrote: post #103
Meekro wrote: post #41

I'm not sure why this announcement has generated so much irritation in the comments-- Cloudflare has been transitioning from "DDoS protection" to "AWS competitor" for many years now, and this is just their alternative to AWS SES. It's an email sender that you can access through an API, or directly through Workers. For those who haven't been keeping up over the years, Workers is their product for running code on Cloud…

The pricing is disappointing. I'm surprised Cloudflare has not tried to compete on price against AWS lately after a good start with R2. Queues, database storage, database writes, worker invocation all more expensive than the AWS offering.

Can you back that up with a link? You're saying Lambda is cheaper than Workers?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#199

Post by chrysoprace »

pier25 wrote: post #146
ghoshbishakh wrote: post #12

Pricing: $0.35 per 1,000 emails Here are the limits: "Your account may have daily sending limits based on Cloudflare's assessment of your account standing. " Source: https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/platform/pri... https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/platform/lim...

Pretty good pricing. Currently using ZeptoMail ($2.5 per 10,000 emails) but if this service by Cloudflare proves reliable once it reaches GA I'd be happy to switch.

Unless I've misunderstood something, the Cloudflare price is like 3x of AWS SES. It probably won't matter for small scale products, but it definitely makes a difference at a large scale.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#200

Post by pier25 »

chrysoprace wrote: post #199
pier25 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty good pricing. Currently using ZeptoMail ($2.5 per 10,000 emails) but if this service by Cloudflare proves reliable once it reaches GA I'd be happy to switch.

Unless I've misunderstood something, the Cloudflare price is like 3x of AWS SES. It probably won't matter for small scale products, but it definitely makes a difference at a large scale.

You have to use AWS though :)

Also Cloudflare is way cheaper compared to eg Sendgrid or Postmark.

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