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US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#191

I will not give a copy of my identification to any tech platform or operating system provider, full stop. I will stop using technology before I compromise on this. Techbros and politicians, please take note.

Do you think they will care that some cyberpunk refuse to compromise, or get around it?

Some people refuse to fly, judging security checks at airport dystopian. Business goes on.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#192

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Someone came up with a good theory a while ago that I'm inclined to believe: The social media companies (esp. Meta as I understand it) were looking at huge fines for showing adult content to under-18s, so they lobbied hard to ensure that the burden of proof for age verification was on anyone else but themselves, hence why the OS vendors are being targeted now. Ultimately, they seem to have realised that they can't st…

They could stop adult content from being shown to minors; it would just take effort on their part to do so, so why not shift the effort on to everyone else?

I'm really quite confident I don't want these companies collecting face and ID scans to prove age, so no I think this being an OS problem is actually a very reasonable solution.

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I'm not sure who Josh Gottheimer of NJ is, but he seems to be one of those stealth "fake" Democrats. Too centrist to be a Republican, but also too centrist to be part of the DSA. He seems to also support H.R. 7540. I think the Democrats in his district need to seriously consider primarying him and replace him with someone that doesn't bend to foreign or corporate whims.

> NJ

there is your answer, mate. lotta private interests swaying NY and NJ elections

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#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone came up with a good theory a while ago that I'm inclined to believe: The social media companies (esp. Meta as I understand it) were looking at huge fines for showing adult content to under-18s, so they lobbied hard to ensure that the burden of proof for age verification was on anyone else but themselves, hence why the OS vendors are being targeted now. Ultimately, they seem to have realised that they can't st…

They could stop adult content from being shown to minors; it would just take effort on their part to do so, so why not shift the effort on to everyone else?

because stock price must go up

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#196

I will not give a copy of my identification to any tech platform or operating system provider, full stop. I will stop using technology before I compromise on this. Techbros and politicians, please take note.

Do you think they will care that some cyberpunk refuse to compromise, or get around it? Some people refuse to fly, judging security checks at airport dystopian. Business goes on.

> Do you think they will care that some cyberpunk refuse to compromise, or get around it?

Not me individually, no, but I hope that by speaking up I am doing a very small part to encourage others to speak up. If enough of us speak up, it can make a difference. The alternative (keeping my mouth shut) is complying in advance, IMO.

> Some people refuse to fly, judging security checks at airport dystopian. Business goes on.

Funny you should mention that. I fly frequently (at least 3 times, sometimes up to 8-10 times a year), and I have literally never gone through the body scanning machines at a US airport, because I opt out and get groped by the TSA officer every time. I believe in small acts of resistance, and I think at the very least I'm consistent in that.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone came up with a good theory a while ago that I'm inclined to believe: The social media companies (esp. Meta as I understand it) were looking at huge fines for showing adult content to under-18s, so they lobbied hard to ensure that the burden of proof for age verification was on anyone else but themselves, hence why the OS vendors are being targeted now. Ultimately, they seem to have realised that they can't st…

They could stop adult content from being shown to minors; it would just take effort on their part to do so, so why not shift the effort on to everyone else?

Showing adult content to minors is also probably not an insignificant part of their business (certaintly a major part if the classification of social media as adult becomes more widespread), and having age be an os-user property might give children more opportunity to subvert the verification. And if enough applications end up behind the maturity wall, they can count on children to badger their parents into setting their account to adult, and the industry will absolve itself of all responsibility once more.

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I don't think that's what this bill is about. I think they want to be able to attach a government issued ID to logins for various services. They tried claiming it was to fight terrorism, but that didn't really work so now they're saying "it's for the children!"

Yeah, you're probably right. I couldn't find the text of the bill in the link. I'm sure the effort to do this kind of thing goes back to the 90s: like a lot of the really intense copyright bills - the CASE Act (ability for big companies to easily fine people who they think are breaching their copyright for $5,000 + legal fees without anything resembling a trial or evidentiary hearing) has been popping up in different…

Most of these "online safety" acts have been sitting around in congress for half a decade at this point. Mike Johnson keeps blocking them because he has serious doubts about their constitutionality (which keep getting borne out whenever the laws end up in court).

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According to a recent CRYPTO-GRAM issue from Schneier, it's in Meta's interest to push these regulations as their product isn't an OS. Their competition (Apple/MS/Google) are OSs though.

I'm not sure why Meta's lobbying is harped on so much when all of Big Tech benefits from this; Zuckerberg is just the fall guy. Tech companies love the idea of identity / age verification so they can target ads more effectively. My general feeling is also that privacy is a thorn in their side when it comes to integrating more deeply into people's lives. There are also state actors at play here who would love if compu…

This is one of the issues with all of the steadily eroding privacy that get accepted because you’re allowed to opt out. It doesn’t take long before you’re the only one in your neighborhood who opts out, and that makes you very identifiable and suspicious.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#200
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How is all the tracking we have today not already sufficient for mass surveillance? What does age verification add if the goal is just more surveillance?

All Internet users will be verified. No going online without a government issued id. It's not about verifying the age.

I hate to say it and it's not the future we all wanted, but as long as social media can be weaponized by foreign powers, the only solution is verifying internet users. It's inevitable.
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