Well, colour me surprised :)
Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
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Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
-iOS by default uploads your entire Photo album to iCloud. -iOS by default backs up all app resources to iCloud (so cloud native apps like Google Drive also gets backed up). You have to explicitly disable this backup app by app. -Save to.. dialog on iOS defaults and resets to saving to iCloud’s “Downloads” directory. -On MacOS, everything on the Desktop directory is synced to iCloud. You cannot delete the iCloud copy…
- false (you have to opt in) - false (it depends on the app) - depends on your cloud settings - if you opt in, yes - well if your storage is full, you kind of need to know - they do, it's called time machine. you need a local disk for that.
I'm not sure if you even use any Apple products. I recently reset my iPhone and started from scratch (because of another system storage bloat issue) and THOSE WERE THE DEFAULTS, I HAD TO TURN EVERYTHING OFF MANUALLY. It didn't even ask.
> time machine
Oh great, let's get a dedicated, proprietary device just to store MY binary blobs. I'm not even sure if Timemachine supports exactly the features offered by iCloud. I cannot for example, browse photos backed up in Timemachine in the Photos app just like with iCloud.
Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#193Microsoft used to have an app called Office Lens. It helped color correct and keystone adjust documents scanned with a phone camera. They pushed an update that gutted the app and said this app has been replaced by OneDrive. After installing OneDrive and dodging multiple dark pattern storage upsells, I discovered the OneDrive app doesn’t have any of the document scanning tools. I’m sure someone got a bonus for increas…
What do you meant?
A quick search on youtube give me many short showing this function in OneDrive app.
Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#194Not that it's any excuse, but Apple does something similar by saving your photos to iCloud and deleting them from your local storage without telling you.
I have seen the following scenario play out twice already:
- The free iCloud tier runs out of storage because of the photo backups
- Apple spams the user with warning notifications and emails and incentives to upgrade
- User sees that nonsense and decides they don't really need iCloud backups (sometimes they didn't even know it was on) and turn it off
- But oops, turns out iOS had "helpfully" removed the original photos from the local device to "save space", and now the photos are inaccessible
- User tries to turn iCloud back on to access their photos but iOS now refuses to do it because the account is out of storage space (but don't worry, you can still upgrade to a paid plan!)
- The photos are now held hostage by Apple
You can access the photos from the iCloud website, but the download interface is clunky because it is not made for mass exports. And in this age of smartphones and apps, how many people know this is even an option? When this happened to an elderly family member of mine, it was only sheer luck that he had his iCloud password written down somewhere and I was able to rescue his photos from Apple's jaws.
Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#195I got caught out by exactly this, and I'm not exactly tech illiterate. what made it even more annoying is by the time I'd realised what had happened, it was practically impossible to get the files back out of OneDrive (since I decided that this was enough Windows for me, and went back to Linux), since the webui does NOT handle downloading lots of small files well, and you just end up getting a partially complete zip…
From their point of view, that's the product working correctly. The whole point of all these consumer cloud storage products is to make it easy to upload your stuff and impossible to download it. (impossible - 1u to be precise, for legal purposes). iPhoto does this the best. Its default is to upload every one of your photos to its cloud and delete the original from your phone. Then if you want it back, you can just c…
I am in my 40s and prefer a old school flash drive instead of an expensive cloud subscription.
An elegant tool from a more civilised age!
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#196Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows share of the desktop market has been falling for a long time. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...
What's unknown?
A sure sign of garbage stats.
Edit: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india#mon...
Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#198I got caught out by exactly this, and I'm not exactly tech illiterate. what made it even more annoying is by the time I'd realised what had happened, it was practically impossible to get the files back out of OneDrive (since I decided that this was enough Windows for me, and went back to Linux), since the webui does NOT handle downloading lots of small files well, and you just end up getting a partially complete zip…
I had same exact experience with macOS and iCloud. macOS by default enables offloading Documents to cloud, transparently. Problem is if you try to get those files back to store them offline, it gets very tricky very quickly with ambiguous verbiage and lengthy process that you never actually know status of. I ended up losing some files as a result, which came as a total shock to me. I was already in the process of mov…
Wdym, I never had any semblance of iCloud offloading my documents to the cloud?
Are you all clicking "yes" on every prompt you see? So many people saying MacOS does this or that, but these are never the default behavior on a fresh install.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is small, but if you look at their competition it's still competitive. Only Mega offers more for free (20GB). Microsoft offers 5GB. Ente.io offers 10GB. Proton.io offers 2GB (if you jump through some time-limited hoops, most of which defeats the purpose of using a privacy cloud, you get a whooping 5GB free instead) Filen.io offers 10GB, but you can get 30GB if you do a similar dance to proton and spam your referra…
Notably Microsoft used to offer 15GB until decreasing it a decade ago. So while I would say 15GB is pretty typical, I would not say it's competitive. I would say the competition died in 2013.
If the top offer is 15 GB, then 15GB is competitive, even if multiple providers offer it.
Disclosure: I work at Google, but not on anything related to this.
Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?
#200MacOS does this as well, and it drives me nuts. No, I do not want files on my desktop to be synced to iCloud.