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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by benzible »

newer_vienna wrote: post #10
Avicebron wrote: post #3

Idk which is more impressive that someone referenced the Avignon Papacy in a heat of the moment argument or that the same person who could reference that thought it was a good idea. (Not Catholic...but like...why?)

Eh I'd expect any diplomat to have the historical knowledge to reference important Church events, especially if there's time to prepare before speaking with church representatives. It was a very significant political period in Catholic history!

If you would expect a typical Trump political appointee, as Colby is, to have even basic historical knowledge, then you may not be paying close attention.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by Aurornis »

lostlogin wrote: post #180
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also...I don't think a fast-follow conflict in Cuba right after this Iran affair is going to do much good, but that seems like where their appetite is going next. I was watching a video by Man carrying thing about Iran war, (he makes skit about things which are still good) and he mentioned the Cuba thing. I am being 100% serious right now, I thought that it was just a joke of the skit. Are we actually being serious…

> After the Iran war where now Iran gets to tax the Strait of Hormuz, something it previously didn't do. I find it hilarious that one of the conditions of the ceasefire is that the straight opens. It was open prior to the war. Great negotiation. Wow.

That's how ceasefires work. One of the conditions of a ceasefire is that they cease firing. There was no firing prior to the war.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by lostlogin »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #155
Avicebron wrote: post #3

Idk which is more impressive that someone referenced the Avignon Papacy in a heat of the moment argument or that the same person who could reference that thought it was a good idea. (Not Catholic...but like...why?)

There's this weird affect of modern "trad" catholic converts. Not everyone who's an adult convert acts this way, but most converts obsessed with "trad" aesthetics seem to be. They obsess over the law, doctrine, and history of the Catholic church. Invoking events from millennia prior, and despite converting to Catholicism by choice, will denounce the Pope for being woke or what have you, insisting it's not the true Ca…

Religious sects that have branched off is sort of an American thing from its very founding. Not sure if the New World was attractive or the Old Wold needed to rid itself of the chaos. The effect was the same.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by brobdingnagians »

50208 wrote: post #137

WW3 is shaping up to be a theocratic holy war struggle between Christianity, Judaism, Islam ... and all of us secular folks have to suffer for their ignorance and intolerance.

Strangely enough (or maybe to be expected), I'd say that at least on the Christian and Jewish sides, it's led by people who have no sincere belief in the respective religions, but hijack it for their personal power. Reminds me of Germany in WWII where Christian symbolism with "Positive Christianity" was used until it was no longer useful then they went full pagan (gottgläubig and other movements) because the sincere Christians opposed them. This administration is as likely to quote Jesus with "love thy enemy" as Germany was in 1942.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by fhdkweig »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #38
sqircles wrote: post #20

I have recently deepened my search in Christianity which started with the Catholic Church, one of few points I struggle with when it comes to Catholicism is the papacy, and the Avignon Papacy debacle and the events that followed (a la Western Schism) has quite a bit to do with that. I was a little confused by what they meant here by “threatening with the Avignon Papacy.” If anyone else is curious, I think the phrase…

There's way too much misdirected emphasis on the pope and ecclesiastical hierarchy imo. I wouldn't think too hard about it. You can be catholic and not like the pope just the same as you can be french and not like the king. Or american and not like the president. There is only one divinity on earth today and that's the holy spirit (consubstantial with the father and son), indwelling and guiding humanity on many level…

> You can be catholic and not like the pope

I come from a Protestant background, so I view Catholicism as just Protestants with a pope. What does it mean to be catholic but without a pope?

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by _doctor_love »

theodric wrote: post #187
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

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Not sure if you'll find it useful, but this is a prompt I fire when looking at an article. I plug it into all the three main LLM providers, turn on web search (or deep research on occasion) and then see what comes up.

focus: {url}

Analyze the article and provide a brief summary. Then analyze the topic across the political spectrum, from The Nation to National Review. Bring in Financial Times and WSJ coverage as well, include The Economist also.

Analyze coverage of the topic from domestic US news sources and then international news sources.

Consider finally what is outside the Overton window on the topic.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by nickthegreek »

theodric wrote: post #187
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

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Trump did not rename DoD to DoW like you confidently state to GPT. DoW is a secondary title bestowed to the DoD (as that is all the power the President has). It would take an act of congress to rename the DoD to the DoW.

Your chatgpt results are so much different than mine. Are you using thinking on the newest model on a paid account? Do you have a strong personalization prompt enabled?

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by lostlogin »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #149
empath75 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real catholics only think about the church on Easter, Christmas, baptisms, weddings and funerals.

...and when it suits them.

Only when it suits them.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by lostlogin »

newer_vienna wrote: post #10
Avicebron wrote: post #3

Idk which is more impressive that someone referenced the Avignon Papacy in a heat of the moment argument or that the same person who could reference that thought it was a good idea. (Not Catholic...but like...why?)

Eh I'd expect any diplomat to have the historical knowledge to reference important Church events, especially if there's time to prepare before speaking with church representatives. It was a very significant political period in Catholic history!

You expect this administration to rely on domain experts?

Can you give some examples of this?

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