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Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by danesparza »

triceratops wrote: post #129
danesparza wrote: post #82

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Ah -- you showed your hand there. You should be careful saying things like "high housing costs which driven up by overregulation". It sounds like you're trying to frame bad economic news like it's the fault of a more liberal political party in the US. High housing costs are just an effect of capitalism. It's supply and demand - as simple as that. If they were grass huts in downtown San Fransisco, they'd be just as ex…

Zoning is regulation. Prop 13 in California is regulation. Regulations can reduce supply and drive up prices. The Bay Area is proof of this.

Zoning costs money everywhere. That's work that needs to be done by a person. That person gets paid. It's capitalism again.

Prop 13 actually limits property taxes and the assessments that can happen. You're actually hurting your argument with this point.

Regulations don't reduce supply because regulations don't purchase properties. People purchase properties and then that property is off the market.

The Bay Area is proof that limited supply (because there is only so much land in the area) + steady (or increasing) demand (because people need to live close to where they work for some baffling reason) will cause property values to raise steadily over time.

Again: It's supply and demand. Regulations have very little to do with price increases.

To be clear: I'm not anti-capitalist ... I'm just anti "wrong context"

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by triceratops »

danesparza wrote: post #191
triceratops wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoning is regulation. Prop 13 in California is regulation. Regulations can reduce supply and drive up prices. The Bay Area is proof of this.

Zoning costs money everywhere. That's work that needs to be done by a person. That person gets paid. It's capitalism again. Prop 13 actually limits property taxes and the assessments that can happen. You're actually hurting your argument with this point. Regulations don't reduce supply because regulations don't purchase properties. People purchase properties and then that property is off the market. The Bay Area is p…

> Zoning costs money everywhere. That's work that needs to be done by a person.

I'm not talking about the salary for a city planner who draws lines on a map. I'm talking about banning building denser housing via zoning.

> The Bay Area is proof that limited supply... will cause property values to raise steadily over time

The Bay Area has limited housing supply for a long time through single-family zoning, minimum lot sizes and other regulatory means.

> Prop 13 actually limits property taxes and the assessments that can happen.

Unaffordable property tax increases are a signal that the land is under-utilized. High property taxes due to land scarcity incentivize building more housing on the same land. Prop 13 takes away that signal. Or at least, it insulates existing and long-term homeowners from the effects of insufficient housing supply in their area. Their taxes don't go up so they have no reason to sell their house to someone who will build condos and apartments on that land.

> You're actually hurting your argument with this point.

I don't think you've taken the time to understand my points.

> Again: It's supply and demand. Regulations have very little to do with price increases.

Again: regulations can and do limit supply.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by keeda »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #175
keeda wrote: post #171

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My personal take, which seems to be consistent with what these folks are saying, is "OMG there's this huge radioactive asteroid that's going to flatten our world, but its gamma rays also give us weird superpowers, here are some ways to harness those..." I'm a bit more optimistic about democratized access to AI. Even today's weaker open source/weight models are plenty powerful enough to supercharge our individual capa…

> I'm a bit more optimistic about democratized access to AI. Even today's weaker open source/weight models are plenty powerful enough to supercharge our individual capabilities, and based on current trends, they won't be more than 3 - 6 months behind the frontier models. This may not bode well for the AI labs because their moat is always evaporating, but it's a huge boon to us plebs Point me to something real that ha…

The power of AI is that it amplifies individual capabilities. So the same aspect that lets employers reduce their headcount also lets individuals start ambitious projects that would have previously required an entire team... and hence, a significant amount of funding. The moment you need money, the people who provide that capital hold a lot of power and influence.

But now you don't need their money, and so the capital class lose their power over you.

As an example, I'm iterating on a niche product based on computer vision -- something I had no background in when I started -- that in the past would have taken a team of 2 - 3 and at least a semester or two of an advanced course in computer vision. Instead, I'm solo bootstrapping this project.

There are multiple accounts like mine, and you can find many comments on HN or other forums to this effect. Now, I know this is a very tough path for most people because, well, now everybody needs to be an entrepreneur, but a path exists.

AI is a double-edged sword, and more people need to become aware of the edge that is available to us.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by palmotea »

senordevnyc wrote: post #170
palmotea wrote: post #166

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You’re being ridiculously rude instead of just answering the question.

There's asking a question, and then's (possibly bad-faith) demands for hand-holding.

The answer to question "Why did AI make them feel angry?" should have been obvious before it was asked (given what I quoted), to anyone with two brain cells and a basic amount of empathy. The other question was little more than evidence of a failure of reading comprehension.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by wolvesechoes »

keeda wrote: post #193
wolvesechoes wrote: post #175

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> I'm a bit more optimistic about democratized access to AI. Even today's weaker open source/weight models are plenty powerful enough to supercharge our individual capabilities, and based on current trends, they won't be more than 3 - 6 months behind the frontier models. This may not bode well for the AI labs because their moat is always evaporating, but it's a huge boon to us plebs Point me to something real that ha…

The power of AI is that it amplifies individual capabilities. So the same aspect that lets employers reduce their headcount also lets individuals start ambitious projects that would have previously required an entire team... and hence, a significant amount of funding. The moment you need money, the people who provide that capital hold a lot of power and influence. But now you don't need their money, and so the capita…

Again, I want concrete evidence on positive impact among general population, not speculation on how AI could be used or your amazing experience as bootstrapping entrepreneur.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by kjkjadksj »

dlev_pika wrote: post #148
kjkjadksj wrote: post #84

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Apple was selling actual hardware though. Software doesn’t have that logistical moat.

Not only that, but also they have deep monitoring of any little good idea that might get traction within their platforms. It’s trivial for them to see what’s picking up and bring in-house.

Yup, pretty much all quality of life upgrades in ios came from shamelessly copying popular jailbreak tweaks on cydia. Which they could do without credit since the tweaks were frowned upon in the first place.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by halJordan »

beloch wrote: post #61

"Many respondents did acknowledge that A.I. might make them more efficient in school and the workplace, he said. But they were concerned about how the technology would affect their creativity and critical thinking skills." ----------------- Perhaps schools need to adapt to AI use and recenter the goals of education in the minds of students. If AI use impairs your development, you are only being efficient in your evas…

This is incredibly out of touch. No teacher or even school administrator needs to have that said to them. Students refuse to hear it (despite the bleating of the article). Who are you talking to then? Parents? That's rich

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by keeda »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #195
keeda wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power of AI is that it amplifies individual capabilities. So the same aspect that lets employers reduce their headcount also lets individuals start ambitious projects that would have previously required an entire team... and hence, a significant amount of funding. The moment you need money, the people who provide that capital hold a lot of power and influence. But now you don't need their money, and so the capita…

Again, I want concrete evidence on positive impact among general population, not speculation on how AI could be used or your amazing experience as bootstrapping entrepreneur .

1. This is not speculation. Individuals and small teams are already developing and deploying ambitious projects that previously required entire teams. Entire open source projects have been rewritten from scratch and relicensed by individuals with an AI. People have posted GitHub repos where you can go investigate the commit history. You've been on HN long enough to see the comments and stories. If you're still asking for proof, well, that says something.

2. You're stance is equivalent to "show me concrete evidence that the advent of the automobile will have a positive impact on horse-drawn buggy coachmen" while I'm saying, "the automobile is coming, we all better get off our high horses and learn how to drive."

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by DocTomoe »

beloch wrote: post #135
causal wrote: post #118

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Probably but how do you adapt to something that changes faster than semesters. Revising your theory of learning, implementing, evaluating results, etc. takes years, not weeks.

The current situation is that many students don't perceive that using AI to produce, for example, essays is harmful to themselves, and students who do things honestly may feel pressure to use AI in order to stay competitive with students who do. The answer may be to focus less on output and more on the process. e.g. Instead of sending students off to do essays at home and then merely grading what gets handed in, perh…

> If Johnny sits back and picks his nose in the workshop and then hands in a paper that's suspiciously good, it's probably slop even if it isn't obviously so.

Or maybe, you know, he's an introvert.

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