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Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by fragmede »

vbezhenar wrote: post #157
GeekyBear wrote: post #113

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Are you under the impression that Windows uninstallers don't leave files and registry settings behind?

They certainly can clean everything after them. And I'm pretty sure that many of them do. When macOS user drags application folder to the Bin, application does not have a chance to clean after itself. Just because some Windows uninstaller are bad doesn't mean that all of them are bad, or that uninstaller concept is bad. Now I'd welcome for operating system to be built in a way to let user to delete everything related…

apt purge software on Debian does a pretty good job of that, but it's got limited adoption.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by dcrazy »

ryandrake wrote: post #60
functionmouse wrote: post #32

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That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being us…

We are moving away from the old world where you can trust the applications you are running on your computer, to today's world where you can't. The unix permission model is based on apps running as your user having access to every device and file you, the user, have access to. The threat was "other system users trying to access your files and devices" but now the threat is "applications you run trying to access your f…

macOS now implicitly sandboxes your Documents, Downloads, and Desktop folders. Random apps can’t read from those locations without triggering a security prompt.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by ryandrake »

AlienRobot wrote: post #184
ryandrake wrote: post #60

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We are moving away from the old world where you can trust the applications you are running on your computer, to today's world where you can't. The unix permission model is based on apps running as your user having access to every device and file you, the user, have access to. The threat was "other system users trying to access your files and devices" but now the threat is "applications you run trying to access your f…

To be fair, this is partly because of the internet. If you install random apps and it destroys your PC, you can fix that by having backups. By contrast on work computers with important data, everything is supposed to be locked down and you can't install random apps. But then we started to increasingly connect devices to the internet. Now gaining access over a smartphone essentially means being able to send payments v…

I think there are a lot of things that users can be protected from:

1. Protect users from attackers external to the computer

2. Protect users from attackers who are other users on the computer

3. Protect users from applications run by other users on the computer

4. Protect users from applications they themselves run on the computer

5. Protect unprivileged (non-root) users from their own actions

6. Protect privileged (sudo/root) users from their own actions

OSes have been historically OK at 1-3. Not great or even good. There have been a lot of remote code vulnerabilities and local vulnerabilities over the years.

OSes have pretty much ignored 4 until maybe a decade ago, and are making token progress toward it, but I don't think many of them take it very seriously.

OSes have instead started to crack down on 5-6, which I'd argue isn't even the job of an OS.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by ksherlock »

Someone wrote: post #74
gwbas1c wrote: post #54

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.) Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant t…

I don’t understand. Any MacOS Finder that had an open file handle into an application bundle runs on the Unix version of MacOS, and that allows deletion of open files (the inode stays around until the process exits), doesn’t it? Or did/does the Finder check whether to-be-deleted files are open? Or did I forget how older Mac file systems behaved?

If "years" means decades, it would have been classic MacOS which played by a very different set of rules.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by dcrazy »

josephcsible wrote: post #55
raincole wrote: post #16

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The writing style has a name called ragebaiting. The gold: > Localization files for every language on Earth Yeah because English is the only one language that matters. Let's fuck up all the non-native speakers to save, I don't know, 50kb of text files? How could one frame this as a bad thing? > Help documentation with 40+ screenshots in 10 languages Seriously how Anglocentric could this author be? Even physical produ…

Isn't the normal convention to ship all the language files in the installer, but for it to only install the ones that are actually used on the system?

No. Language resources are part of the app bundle, which means they are part of the bundle’s code signature. Removing or altering them breaks the signature.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by 10729287 »

didgetmaster wrote: post #147
ncr100 wrote: post #125

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[ Thank you for "PartitionMagic" - crucially important for home / personal computer users, at least in my own history. ] And, I wonder if a (corporate) development organization's overall cultural friction around critical / negative feedback -- in this case integration issues in the technical sense of pulling together modules built by subteams to compose a final product -- could be worth investigating when challenging…

Thank you and to all the others who remember and liked PartitonMagic. It makes an old programmer feel good to know that something he worked on 30 years ago made a difference. BTW: I am currently working on a hobby project called Didgets. It is an object store that does a lot of cool file system stuff and relational table manipulation and analysis. It is available for free download at http://www.didgets.com The instal…

What a blast from the past. Partition magic was a huge part of our journey discovering and loving computers here with my friends. Hello and thank you from France !

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by SpaceNugget »

PearlRiver wrote: post #149
GeekyBear wrote: post #113

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Are you under the impression that Windows uninstallers don't leave files and registry settings behind?

I use this https://github.com/Klocman/Bulk-Crap-Uninstaller The nice thing about Windows is that people have been writing software for it for decades. A very underestimated advantage.

Sorry an advantage over what? What desktop operating system in common use _hasn't_ had decades of development of pet projects on obvious problems like system cleanup? Literally every operating system has these kinds of things

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by throw0101c »

didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

> I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

.app 'files' on macOS are like this.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by didgetmaster »

10729287 wrote: post #196
didgetmaster wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you and to all the others who remember and liked PartitonMagic. It makes an old programmer feel good to know that something he worked on 30 years ago made a difference. BTW: I am currently working on a hobby project called Didgets. It is an object store that does a lot of cool file system stuff and relational table manipulation and analysis. It is available for free download at http://www.didgets.com The instal…

What a blast from the past. Partition magic was a huge part of our journey discovering and loving computers here with my friends. Hello and thank you from France !

Merci

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by rsynnott »

About ten years ago, I bought a low-end Samsung TVZ, intended to hold me over until OLEDs got into a non-silly price range.

Based on that TV, I will never buy anything from Samsung again. It had, get this, a _variable audio lag_. Audio might be nearly in sync, or might lag by a couple hundred ms, depending on the TV’s mood at the time. Just incredible that they ever thought this was a reasonable thing to sell.

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