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Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by pianom4n »

delbronski wrote: post #173
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They get hate because they are almost always annoying and distract from the actual content. Nobody cares how creative your web page design is if it sucks to use so badly that a plain text page would be better.

But do they really suck to use so badly? Like for real? The examples that have been listed in the comments (Apple and Claude sites) look totally fine to me. People here are talking about them like they are the worse websites ever.

Apple pages are _completely_ unusable because of this. If I go to product page I am unable to navigate it to extract information about the product. I give up and leave.

https://www.apple.com/macbook-neo/

Try to skim this page to get a sense of how much information is on the page. You can't. 90% of the scroll time is stuck in useless animations.

Every time you scroll down you have to wait for the page to render. We've somehow recreated the dialup experience with single page apps.

Your brain is trained on how scrolling works on 95% of pages. Breaking that patterns causes tons of cognitive overhead. You now have to do a double-take every scroll action when you just want to absorb the contents of the page.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#192

Post by matheusmoreira »

delbronski wrote: post #187
matheusmoreira wrote: post #176

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Because it's just as tasteless as the beginner who discovered the font dropdown and chose Papyrus. Yeah we're all marvelling at your web coding prowess -- has the actual content shown up on screen yet? Reminds me of me the https://motherfuckingwebsite.com . > Shit's legible and gets your fucking point across (if you had one instead of just 5mb pics of hipsters drinking coffee)

Ah yes, taste. That thing that is definitely NOT subjective, and NOT influenced by cultural norms and personal preferences rather than universal standards. Yes you are right, guess you guys do have better “web taste”. Why would anyone prefer pics of hipster drinking coffee over plain text?

I just want to read the site without having it jump all over the place. If it's running away from my eyes it probably doesn't want to be read so I just skip it. Probably wasn't important anyway.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#193

Post by matheusmoreira »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

I just zap them with uBlock Origin anyway. Whatever was in that header, chances are it was not important.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#194

Post by andai »

Bonus points when they offset the scrollbar 1px from the edge of the screen so you can't click on it easily. (If you're lucky enough that they've merely made it 3px wide instead of removing it altogether!)

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#195

Post by matheusmoreira »

Illniyar wrote: post #146
HerbManic wrote: post #140

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The user discovers it because it is practically forced on them. It is awful UI.

When a user wants to return to the navigation bar at the top he scrolls up. The navigation bar then immediately gets nearer. The user discovery happens because the act he performs provides the exact intent you need to give him the shortcut. Also for clarity this is only relevant for content based sites and not apps. It is vanishingly rare for users to scroll up when reading content unless they want to reach the top

> When a user wants to return to the navigation bar at the top he scrolls up.

Users also scroll up when they want to read text that's not visible anymore.

> The navigation bar then immediately gets nearer.

And then it blocks the text the user was trying to read.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#196

Post by andai »

I thought scroll fade was going to be that thing where, while you scroll, a newsletter popup box slowly fades into view. (I got one on the next HN post I clicked after this one!)

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#197

Post by Night_Thastus »

hbn wrote: post #177
vmg12 wrote: post #120

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Also if anything it should disappear when scrolling down and appear when scrolling up.

That's how they work. It's what the GP said.

I accidentally had it flipped backwards in the original comment, and edited it to fix that. So the person you're responding to was right at the time.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#199

Post by MoonWalk »

mghackerlady wrote: post #91
MoonWalk wrote: post #71

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"should have to enable "Clown Mode" or something." Bwahahaha, +1! This reminds me of calling Windows XP's default motif "Fisher-Price" mode. Which, sadly, looks professional and efficient compared to Windows (and, increasingly, the Mac) today.

I actually think modern windows looks nice. It isn't nearly as good as the classic 9x look, but fluent obviously is a response to the visual shitshow that was 10

It's just a bunch of text and maybe some horizontal lines. It manages to take "flat" design and make it even worse.

The list of regressions is seemingly endless. Where are the menus? Oh... scattered all over each application's UI, behind multiple hamburger buttons. What application does this window belong to? Who knows, since the title bar is missing.

And WTF is up with the abandonment of the File dialog? Now, every application presents a crude, inscrutable text-based form with no context showing WHERE you're putting anything.

No offense, but it's incompetent garbage.

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