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Meta Horizon Worlds on Meta Quest is being discontinued

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Re: Meta Horizon Worlds on Meta Quest is being discontinued

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Post by ytoawwhra92 »

Traster wrote: post #90
tyleo wrote: post #2

Interesting, cutting way back in the product they renamed the whole company for. They feel a bit directionless to me. They are still making money but even their AI attempt feels half hearted. I think they are really trying but I’m not sure they can build the engineering muscle to move in new areas with the brand damage they’ve sustained.

I was at Intel for a while and there was one glaring problem - they have one product that spins off a huge amount of cash. This means a few things: First, that one product is really where the things that matter happen. But second, they have all this money and they don't know what to do with it, they can't spend it all on their core product because that looks terrible - they're already throwing off money, investing mo…

Or you could just return the profits to shareholders.

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Post by ehnto »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #96
michelb wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, a fraction of the AI investments? It’s pretty clear where the focus is bow and who/what no longer has a future at Meta.

> So, a fraction of the AI investments? It’s pretty clear where the focus is bow and who/what no longer has a future at Meta. And the tens of billions spent on AI at Meta... As a result, we're all using "Meta Code CLI" and "ChatBook" and "Geminizuck" right? Seriously: while we're all on Claude Code using the Anthropic models and many are happy with Gemini and ChatGPT for other stuff, where is Meta's AI offering? I lo…

Do they need one do you think? They are trying to make one for sure but it's interesting to think about whether they actually need their own models to survive the shift. Maybe they just deliver other people's models via Meta products?

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Post by array_key_first »

squidsoup wrote: post #64
t-writescode wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VRChat is the most popular one. Age verification. User generated models. User generated worlds. Revenue sharing in worlds. For-sale models and props. It’s quite feature rich now. Edit: fixed typo

Don't forget the deranged furries.

Sure, but by furries for furries is a market. By normies, for... nobody? Isn't.

Re: Meta Horizon Worlds on Meta Quest is being discontinued

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Post by ehnto »

m4rtink wrote: post #140
xd1936 wrote: post #4

Unbelievable. They re-architected the whole operating system around this stupid app. They discontinued their previous homescreen environments in favor of trying to promote Horizon Worlds, only to discontinue the blasted thing anyway? After all of those millions of dollars spent trying to make virtual events happen?

And at the same time VRChat is reaching record popularity and user counts with tiny fraction of the budget Facebook wasted. And it is so simple - just listen to your users and give them what they want - which seems to be VR cat girls.

I think that's the issue Meta had, they were trying to introduce VR to the greater public. VRs actual community is a niche of individuals who love the technology, they didn't want what Horizon was offering. VRChat is too weird for the average person, but Horizon was not interesting enough for the average person either.

I do believe that the recent Meta headsets pulled in a lot of users who will stay, thanks to their price point and performance.

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Post by givemeethekeys »

crooked-v wrote: post #154
givemeethekeys wrote: post #58

That's okay - it felt cartoony and, I imagine it wasn't the reason why the vast majority of people bought the Quest anyway.

Plenty of people use the 'cartoony' parts of VRChat and even have Quest devices entirely for it. The difference comes down to, well, VRChat just being the plain superior product in almost every regard, especially for social spaces, even after Meta set huge amounts of money on fire with Horizon Worlds.

Oh, how cool. I have not tried VRChat!

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Post by wolvoleo »

jrm4 wrote: post #181
bee_rider wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VR games are actually kind of neat and fun. But it’s too much of a hassle to set the thing up every time and, I dunno, the association with Facebook is too icky. It would have been really interesting to see what Oculus could have become without getting bought. I do think they were a little neat idea, not at all ready for Facebook sized projects.

As I've heard and said elsewhere -- VR Games are absolutely like a day at the fair. But no one wants to go to the fair EVERY DAY.

I use mine pretty much daily though

Re: Meta Horizon Worlds on Meta Quest is being discontinued

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Post by wolvoleo »

crooked-v wrote: post #159
karmakaze wrote: post #143

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The Meta/Oculus bet was never about VR or gaming. It is to solve Zuck's greatest fear of being beholden to platforms controlled by others. What it was supposed to be was basically what Microsoft missed out on with mobile, losing to Google and Apple. VR and AR could be that next platform to own and control. They would love to have all the data that Google and Apple enjoy. That's what Quest -> Horizon was about, change…

I still find it funny that Apple did exactly the usual Apple thing of coming in way later and yet inventing a UX for this kind of stuff good enough that Meta immediately started scrambling to copy it.

On the other hand, pico was always copying meta's UI.

And meta's UI has changed every 6 months anyway. Like significantly so. They were up for another redesign anyway :)

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Post by wolvoleo »

minihat wrote: post #178

I met some of my best friends in VR, and had life-changing social interactions in some VR games on the Oculus platform... Especially EchoVR. I'm still a true believer in VR as a medium. It'll go mainstream one day, and there will be a Meta-sized company built upon it. They had lightning in a bottle and somehow lost it. Honestly it might have been hiring Carmack that sent them down this path. Moving away from PCVR exp…

Very good take. I still love VR and I use it a ton. But yeah PC is where it's at.

Re: Meta Horizon Worlds on Meta Quest is being discontinued

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Post by wolvoleo »

squidsoup wrote: post #64
t-writescode wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VRChat is the most popular one. Age verification. User generated models. User generated worlds. Revenue sharing in worlds. For-sale models and props. It’s quite feature rich now. Edit: fixed typo

Don't forget the deranged furries.

What do you expect? Did you see the movie ready player one? This kind of experience is ideal for furries and cosplay types and they featured in the movie too.

If you can be anything, it makes sense it attracts people who want to not be what they already are.

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