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Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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Post by wileydragonfly »

beAbU wrote: post #174
autoexec wrote: post #51

> Whether PC users, our core readership, will be interested in actually emulating Xbox One, looks unlikely. The 2013 system’s game library is largely overlapped in better quality on the PC platform. And this explains why it's stayed unhacked so long. There was very little incentive to hack the system when the games are all playable on a PC. Pirates, cheaters, archivists, and hackers could just go there. Microsoft's b…

There is this general vibe online that the newer generation xboxen are either bad, worse than playstation, or a straight up failure. My series x, combined with gamepass, is by a very large margin the most at-home-entertainment bang I have gotten for my buck. Before then I had what could be regarded as a "vintage" gaming PC: 1st gen i7 (nehalem?), a gts 450 and some amount of ram. An upgrade (read: full replacement) w…

Series X is a premium experience. Walmart delivered one for $350 at 4am with Diablo 4. Still feels like robbery a couple of years later.

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Post by extraduder_ire »

rustyhancock wrote: post #181
philistine wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are 100% correct but they started clamping down on people using Dev mode strictly for emulators and homebrew. So here we are.

In their defense, they clamped down following lobbying (and pressure) from Nintendo IIRC. Part of me also thinks that Microsoft were so forward with offering what was basically a test kit because they were confident in their security.

Why Nintendo? Far as I know, they've never released anything on an xbox console.

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Post by extraduder_ire »

nitros wrote: post #178
poemxo wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope Apple is paying attention, since their first gen AirTags are vulnerable to voltage glitching to disable the speaker and the tracking warning.

I don't see much motivation for fixing that when I can purchase a nrf52xx Bluetooth Beacon on aliexpress for €4 and flash it with firmware that pretends to be 50 different airtags, rotating every 10 minutes, and therefore bypassing all tracker detections.

What's the battery life like on one of those?

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Post by extraduder_ire »

mschild wrote: post #129
beAbU wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PS3 was incredible value dollar-to-flop, given that it was sold at a loss. This resulted in universities and other research institutes buying them en masse to create supercomputer clusters. Naturally buying thousands of consoles but not a single game puts sony in a difficult position. Although I think it's sad the hardware got locked down in later revisions, I fully understand why they did it.

The US Department of Defense went quite a bit further. They created the Condor Cluster in 2010 which was comprised of 1760 PS3s. At the time it was placed 33rd worldwide for a supercomputer. https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomput...

At the time, entire PS3s were cheaper than what it cost to get the CPU from IBM.

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Post by ls612 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #105
giobox wrote: post #72

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The other major incentive for hacking the console Microsoft removed was for the first time on a modern mainstream home console to allow side loading of homebrew code/emulators etc. The console supported a developer mode that allowed side loading of third party applications, so folks could get emulators and other traditionally "banned" content on the console through an officially supported route. There's a great prese…

I've seen this argument, but I strongly suspect that it's a cope argument. "We couldn't get in... because... we didn't care to! Even though we've hacked literally every other object on the planet just because." The proof in the pudding of this will be when the Nintendo Switch 2 reaches 2035 with no cracks. That's my prophecy; that this time around the cat actually will catch the mouse. Between NVIDIA's heavily revise…

When you extrapolate out the political economy consequences of your hypothesis being correct the future looks very dark indeed. If you can make an unhackable game console it should be obvious to people on this site what sorts of dystopias you could also create.

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Post by akramachamarei »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #192
rustyhancock wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their defense, they clamped down following lobbying (and pressure) from Nintendo IIRC. Part of me also thinks that Microsoft were so forward with offering what was basically a test kit because they were confident in their security.

Why Nintendo? Far as I know, they've never released anything on an xbox console.

Nintendo doesn't want users emulating Nintendo systems in the Xbox is my guess.

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Post by genewitch »

mschild wrote: post #129
beAbU wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PS3 was incredible value dollar-to-flop, given that it was sold at a loss. This resulted in universities and other research institutes buying them en masse to create supercomputer clusters. Naturally buying thousands of consoles but not a single game puts sony in a difficult position. Although I think it's sad the hardware got locked down in later revisions, I fully understand why they did it.

The US Department of Defense went quite a bit further. They created the Condor Cluster in 2010 which was comprised of 1760 PS3s. At the time it was placed 33rd worldwide for a supercomputer. https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomput...

at some point it was claimed that the reason sony removed the ability to run linux was because, literally, Saddam Hussein (maybe not) was using them to pilot jets or somesuch.

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Post by genewitch »

selectively wrote: post #159
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this argument, but I strongly suspect that it's a cope argument. "We couldn't get in... because... we didn't care to! Even though we've hacked literally every other object on the planet just because." The proof in the pudding of this will be when the Nintendo Switch 2 reaches 2035 with no cracks. That's my prophecy; that this time around the cat actually will catch the mouse. Between NVIDIA's heavily revise…

I have my doubts. I suspect that Nvidia have made mistakes. Anyway, situations like the one you describe are one to be solved by legislation requiring certain devices be sold as open devices that put power in the hands of the owner.

my nintendo switch is "rootable" by shorting two pins in the controller interface, with a previously set up SD card inserted with the homebrew bootloader.

My PS3 and PS4 were both jailbroken/rooted. I don't remember the ps3 routine, but the PS4 was loading the "system -> help" page while connected to a ESP32 wifi AP running a simple web server that replied to requests with the jailbreak for PS4.

I give it about a year, especially if nintendo has to change the specs or otherwise tampers with customer expectations. there's bound to be some way to reload firmware on a "dead" device without pulling chips, and that's all it takes.

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Post by genewitch »

ls612 wrote: post #195
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this argument, but I strongly suspect that it's a cope argument. "We couldn't get in... because... we didn't care to! Even though we've hacked literally every other object on the planet just because." The proof in the pudding of this will be when the Nintendo Switch 2 reaches 2035 with no cracks. That's my prophecy; that this time around the cat actually will catch the mouse. Between NVIDIA's heavily revise…

When you extrapolate out the political economy consequences of your hypothesis being correct the future looks very dark indeed. If you can make an unhackable game console it should be obvious to people on this site what sorts of dystopias you could also create.

unhackable subscription ignition interlock device?

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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Post by chocochunks »

genthree wrote: post #97
Forgeties79 wrote: post #92

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Also getting a dev account and loading up RetroArch/emulators in general is trivial. Best use of an Xbox one for sure. Well documented and exploited at this point. Not the same as emulating its titles, but a lot of interest in the Xbone/series line (outside of actual console users) is the dev accounts. So I imagine a lot more effort went there first.

How is this the first I’m hearing of it? Looks like I finally have a reason to own an x-box, aside from the best version of Perfect Dark (the HD release of the original with modern controls, I mean) being on the 360.

Perfect Dark works on newer Xboxes too. For Xbox One X and Series X it runs at 9x the res of the 360 version. It's included in Rare Replay which also includes Goldeneye 007 if you get it digitally.
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