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Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by LamaOfRuin »

ericmay wrote: post #153
gzread wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And other people choose to wash dishes by hand and they're fine with it and not significantly less productive. The use of a dishwasher wasn't forced on everyone.

It's actually less productive for dishwasher-safe dishes, there's simply no question about that. Hand-washing dishes also, from what I understand, uses more energy and water than the dishwasher does.

This is in fact true (in the US at least), but part of why it is true is that people don't wash dishes the way they used to (with multiple bins of soapy + rinse water) and instead just run a bunch of hot water.

Modern high-efficiency dishwashers probably beat the most efficient humans now, but that's relatively recent and not a huge margin (and may not get the same results).

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by marcosdumay »

9rx wrote: post #85
marcosdumay wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best predictor I can find of a segment being green in median wage is if it's red in digital AI exposure. So... What exactly are you talking about?

He is talking about the same thing as you, no? As you point out, the more AI exposure (red), the more likely to have higher wages (green). Which suggests that those who are embracing AI are those who are thriving the most. Same as what he suggested.

No, those numbers don't mean that.

Whether people are adopting AI or not, everybody doing the same kind of job gets the same number for exposure to AI.

You can claim that AI is creating a Jevons paradox situation and making companies hire as crazy the people it nominally replaces. But then you would have to point any instance of that happening, because it's clearly not there either.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by titanomachy »

holmesworcester wrote: post #45

It's wild that there are as many jobs in the category "Top Executives" as in the category "Retail Sales Worker". This makes sense given both automation and the US's role in the global economy, but it runs somewhat contrary to standard ideas of class and inequality.

That category has a median pay of $105,350, and includes "general and operations managers" as well as "chief executives". I assume it includes executives of very small enterprises.

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/top-executives.htm

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by nerevarthelame »

throwaw12 wrote: post #25
nerevarthelame wrote: post #19

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> The VIEW could be AI slop, but underlying CONTENT has some meaning. There is definitely impact on Software engineering jobs at the moment, interns/juniors are struggling to find jobs Is that notion supported by this content? The BLS Outlook for most software engineering jobs is most in the "much faster than average" growth range.

BLS outlook is based on historical trends and inertia, both could be true at the same time: * Yes software engineering jobs can grow - by increasing demand for custom software thanks to coding agents unlock * AI can impact it - by making software engineers LLM code approvers

I'm not saying that your assessments are wrong. But you were talking about how valuable this content is, and I don't understand how the insight you claimed to get from the visualization ("There is definitely impact on Software engineering jobs at the moment, interns/juniors are struggling to find jobs") could at all be discernible from the visualization.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

treyfitty wrote: post #4

Data is coming from BLS. Their data lags the true state of affairs, and their growth projections are never reliable. Remember when they touted from 2000-2010 that Actuaries are the hottest growing field with the best forward looking outlook? BLS forward looking guidance means nothing when technology revolutionizes the nature of work.

What do you believe is the true state of affairs?

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by cogman10 »

ericmay wrote: post #153
gzread wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And other people choose to wash dishes by hand and they're fine with it and not significantly less productive. The use of a dishwasher wasn't forced on everyone.

It's actually less productive for dishwasher-safe dishes, there's simply no question about that. Hand-washing dishes also, from what I understand, uses more energy and water than the dishwasher does.

> Hand-washing dishes also, from what I understand, uses more energy and water than the dishwasher does.

Correct, more energy, detergent, and water. Dishwashers are more efficient than what you can do by hand because they effectively manage their water usage.

A modern dishwasher will use 3 to 4 gallons on a run. By comparison, my kitchen sink holds about 10 gallons of water on each side. When I wash by hand, I'll fill one side with soapy water and rinse each dish individually. Easily more than 10 gallons of water get used in the whole process.

Dishwashers are so efficient because they rinse everything off the dishes with about ~1 gallons of water, they drain the water, then use detergent in the second run which gets off the tougher food stains, another 1 gallons of water. Then they rinse with another gallon of water.

Dishwashers maximize getting food particulates into dirty water in a way that you can't really sanely do by hand.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by tylervigen »

gtr wrote: post #75
dwroberts wrote: post #54

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> AI has already won. It's taking over. It might be a year or two, or five, or ten, but AI isn't slowing down, nobody is going to pause, and there's a whole shit ton of work people do that won't be meaningful or economically relevant in the very near term Maybe it was linked from a comment somewhere on HN but just today I saw a post saying “Microwaves are the future of all food: if you don’t think so, you better get…

I know it's not the point of the comment but it's a bit of a flawed analogy. Microwaves have wone to a large extent, such that people without them are a bit of an oddity, and cooking with an oven is more of a special occasion thing than the default cooking method that it was before.

Seems like a lot of people are dunking on this comment with anecdata.

Thankfully there is real data if we want to know how microwaves are used. Survey below says they are used a bit more than ovens, but half as much as cooktops/stoves. Varies by cohort and meal.

Source: https://indoor.lbl.gov/publications/residential-cooking-beha...

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by ranyume »

jameslk wrote: post #186

> You are an expert analyst evaluating how exposed different occupations are to AI. You will be given a detailed description of an occupation from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. > Rate the occupation's overall AI Exposure on a scale from 0 to 10. Are LLMs good at scoring? In my experience, using an LLM for scoring things usually produces arbitrary results. I'm surprised to see Karpathy employ it

No. LLMs aren't experts in subjects. They can answer things in a confident manner, but nobody optimized LLMs to perform good analysis yet.

Re: US Job Market Visualizer

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Post by jghn »

wiether wrote: post #190
kaicianflone wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a bit of irony here. A lot of commercial kitchens already rely heavily on microwaves and rapid heating equipment. In many restaurants the microwave is a very important tool in the workflow rather than something unusual. Do your friends not eat out much?

They don't cook food in a microwave, though. They reheat it. The food have been cooked in industrial ovens in the factory.

Sort of, although there's importance nuance. One would be surprised how often microwaves get used in proper commercial kitchens, as in places making their own food & not reheating stuff from a central commissary. But it's not being used in the way one likely pictures when they hear this. An example is that microwaves are great for par cooking vegetables, especially potatoes.
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