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E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

dhblumenfeld1 wrote: post #186
avallach wrote: post #93

Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

wouldn't signal fall under this category (same entity control the client and server in between) but they have no way of peaking inside any envelopes?

Every e2e solution relies on trusting the application/tooling/crypto used. Open source is better than nothing, but is not a silver bullet for trust.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by RobRivera »

exe34 wrote: post #190
iamthejuan wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happened to my girlfriend and me twice on Messenger. On two consecutive nights, we heard a male voice with an American accent speaking as if he were talking to someone else, almost like they were conducting some kind of operation. It seemed as though he suddenly realized that we could hear him, after which the voice abruptly disappeared. The following night, it happened again, but this time the voice sounded lik…

did you check your carbon monoxide alarm batteries?

I understand this reference.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by scarecrowbob »

newsoftheday wrote: post #162
scarecrowbob wrote: post #95

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Weird... when I see something done by US-Based capitalist and attributed to communists half a world away, it makes me think of the Powell Memo.

That is weird, the US didn't ask the CCP to invent social scoring.

I mean -also- weird to claim that the CCP invented scoring folks, but even if they did, it'd be hella weird to think that somehow they helped a US local power company implement it...

Look, I get that "CCP Bad". It's just always wild to see folks try and make that case when something has literally nothing to do with it, especially while there are plenty of pretty horrific and material mechanisms in play without pretending that the big-O Other is to blame.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by krystalgamer »

tredre3 wrote: post #148
krystalgamer wrote: post #123

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this is a very 21st century thing, the ability to know what everyone is doing at any time. extremely voyeuristic too. the only social circle that truly matters is the geographically close one. no amount of E2EE or fancy chat app will replace being physically present.

First you said that people should use decentralized platforms. Now you acknowledge that there's nobody of value on those platforms so now you say people should stop wanting to connect in the first place. I mean, okay? Next time just say social media is a cancer, and don't waste our time moving goal posts.

> that there's nobody of value on those platforms so now you say people should stop wanting to connect in the first place

that's exactly what i said and not a figment of your imagination.

if your social circle mostly exists on instagram like the person that i was replying to mentioned :), then you have no social life. any of these platforms is just an add-on to real social interaction. prioritize the real thing and the platform stops mattering.

> social media is a cancer

it isn't but your comment is.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by XorNot »

prox wrote: post #161
iamthejuan wrote: post #153

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This happened to my girlfriend and me twice on Messenger. On two consecutive nights, we heard a male voice with an American accent speaking as if he were talking to someone else, almost like they were conducting some kind of operation. It seemed as though he suddenly realized that we could hear him, after which the voice abruptly disappeared. The following night, it happened again, but this time the voice sounded lik…

You mean like a voicecall on Messenger? That is creepy.

One time when I was in Hawaii I could swear there was a club playing dance music quite loudly somewhere a few blocks over: there was that muffled quality to it where I kept trying to pick out the song from inside my Airbnb.

Walking outside (after asking my wife if she could hear it): silence. Trees rustling, normal noises.

It was background noise. But inside the apartment that combination of different sounds was just right that it sounded like muffled music to me - but hence why I couldn't identify it, whatever was there was just me thinking I was hearing things.

Draw ones own conclusions about the relative technical plausibility of the events described by the OP (how would digital packet based audio experience a glitch which is structured as though you'd tuned into another analog radio station? It wouldn't: that doesn't happen and it isn't even a failure mode).

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by int_19h »

trinsic2 wrote: post #94
john_strinlai wrote: post #88

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> Many discord users I have seen talk about this issue frame this as an attack on freedom good! ideally, someone is helping them organize and action those thoughts and feelings outside of whatever discord channel you are in. i am referring to how it is being framed by the people pushing the agenda. age verification laws (as an easy example) arent being advertised as "we want to spy on you", they are being advertised…

Agreed. What I meant to say is at least the younger generation are starting to see past this smoke screen more so now than maybe 20 years ago.

Now if only they actually went out and voted...

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by [deleted] »

XorNot wrote: post #195
prox wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like a voicecall on Messenger? That is creepy.

One time when I was in Hawaii I could swear there was a club playing dance music quite loudly somewhere a few blocks over: there was that muffled quality to it where I kept trying to pick out the song from inside my Airbnb. Walking outside (after asking my wife if she could hear it): silence. Trees rustling, normal noises. It was background noise. But inside the apartment that combination of different sounds was just…

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by Synaesthesia »

fragmede wrote: post #183
Synaesthesia wrote: post #160

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It's all about trust at the end of the day. And given that it was exposed that Apple, Microsoft, Meta, Google etc all collaborated with the US government to provide surveillance (PRISM) by Edward Snowden, how we can trust them ever again?

Did they collaborate? Google freaked out when Snowden revealed what the NSA was doing.

They definitely did collaborate with the NSA.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by ultratalk »

happosai wrote: post #100
ultratalk wrote: post #59

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Network effects will keep a person on a platform until a critical mass of their social circle decide to leave all at once. I'm no expert, but I suspect that that critical mass is pretty high, maybe more than 50% of a person's circle. So it's not exactly vanilla free-market competition. Entrenched players have a pretty big advantage.

Ah Network effect, That's why we all are still using Skype, microsoft messenger and ICQ. You don't have to wait for everyone to switch, in fact it's pretty normal to reach different people on different chats. https://xkcd.com/1810/

Well, maybe it was normal ~10 years ago, when that comic was published, but is now getting rarer and rarer, as each new generation consolidates itself on a single platform.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by inquirerGeneral »

john_strinlai wrote: post #98
avallach wrote: post #93

Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

one thing to consider is how just the optics of major players using e2e was an overall benefit. people who otherwise would have gone their entire lives without ever hearing about encryption were exposed to the term and the marketing convinced them that encryption and privacy was a valuable thing, even if they didnt fully understand the mechanisms or why e2e might not necessarily be very effective in specific circumst…

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