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Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by _zagj »

cstrahan wrote: post #23
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #12

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Which state did you have it done in if I may ask? I'm in Oregon and haven't been able to find a doc that does it without sedation. I can't be put under sedation for medical reasons, but I definitely need this procedure done sooner than later due to new GI problems.

I had a colonoscopy and esophagogastroduodenoscopy (thankfully not in that order) without sedation. Had it done in D.C. My doc looked at me like I was crazy when I asked if it could be done without sedation, and reminded me that it would be uncomfortable, but otherwise didn't have any problem with it. I've endured 50k runs, brutal workouts, and traumatizing childhood neglect - I really can't see what the fuss is with…

> I've endured 50k runs

Did you see this? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/19/health/running-colon-canc...

But I agree with you, I would only want this done if I could get it without sedation.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by dham »

phainopepla2 wrote: post #59
dham wrote: post #6

They need to lower the screening to 40. I just had mine at 40, turned out fine luckily. Did it without sedation which my doctor said was rare in US, but common outside of US. I found surprising, wasn't that big of a deal. Pain was probably at a 7/10 during the turns (like 3 times) but ok the rest of the time. A little uncomfortable. Some new sensations, some familiar (feeling like you are crapping your pants). I walk…

Do you have specific risk factors that caused your doctor to recommend getting it at 40, or did you have to convince them? My understanding is that if the doctor doesn't order it, many insurance companies won't cover it.

I had bleeding, light red, most likely from hemorrhoids (it was), but had a few other factors that the doctor took it seriously. The insurance didn't cover much as far as I know (or any?). Owed like $1800.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by kvgr »

damnesian wrote: post #11
imglorp wrote: post #9

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My money is on massive overexposure to high fructose corn syrup in the Western diet. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9170474/

lack of fiber is a biggie too. Foods too highly processed. too many oils.

I don’t know. Something about eating a lot of fiber. I cant do it for example. I eat some veggies, but probably not “enough” fiber compared to modern recommendations and i cant process it. I am doing OK without it from subjective perspective. Also i am interested how much nonsoluble fiber did regular people eat before modern vegetable and fruits. Potatoes and cabbage, wheat and some roots and max some berries max.

Like where would the need for the fiber come from evolutionary.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by kvgr »

staticassertion wrote: post #145
boringg wrote: post #140

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My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. There are a lot of other risk factors involved. Will high fiber help - absolutely. Is it the be all end all - no I doubt it. Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already.

> My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. Well, you said "can't" and I asked "why", which feels very reasonable to me. Your argument seems to be that it wouldn't account properly for the data - specifically, you're saying we would have seen colon cancer rates rise earlier. > Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already. I don't really buy this for a lot of…

Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. I get it that in our modern diet, fiber is better than sugar and plastic stuff made in factories combining oils and sugar into something that looks like food. But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help?

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by zthrowaway »

SapporoChris wrote: post #86
zthrowaway wrote: post #22

I think part of this can be attributed to prolonged gut inflammation caused by toxins and parasites. There’s something like 60% of the population has some form of parasite and have no idea, which causes a lot of inflammation and problems. Problems that don’t necessarily point to the gut being the culprit on the surface. So it’s misdiagnosed a lot. I recommend everyone do a gut cleanse once a year.

CDC estimates about 60 million are effected by parasites in USA. which is about 17 or 18%. Gut cleanse, colon cleanse, detoxing. None of this is supported by science. Nor would any of these things cure, prevent or in anyway help a parasitic infection. Here are some common parasitic infections and how they're treated. None of these treatments recommend gut cleanse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giardia#Infection https…

I was thinking of the 60% global statistic. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbio...

I had gut dysbiosis for the past couple of years. Went to an alternative/func doctor and she helped me do a program such as this, in a safe manner: https://www.gutprotocols.com/products/full-moon-kit-parasite...

While yes this isn’t scientifically backed, because there’s just no clinical trials yet, doesn’t mean it is bunk. I did a program myself and it fixed all of my problems. My stool inflammatory markers went down drastically, as did my myriad of symptoms that caused me issues every day.

Perhaps I was wrong in strongly recommending people just go do this randomly without any doctor oversight. Whatever. I just wanted to offer my experience because it helped me and can help others. Take it or leave it.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by zthrowaway »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #48
zthrowaway wrote: post #22

I think part of this can be attributed to prolonged gut inflammation caused by toxins and parasites. There’s something like 60% of the population has some form of parasite and have no idea, which causes a lot of inflammation and problems. Problems that don’t necessarily point to the gut being the culprit on the surface. So it’s misdiagnosed a lot. I recommend everyone do a gut cleanse once a year.

If parasites was the concern then countries like Bangladesh would have incredibly higher rates given that people there tend to have orders of magnitudes more parasites than anywhere in the developed world. And I’m not sure what toxins is supposed to mean and how Americans are more exposed to toxins than developing world children scouring through our electronic garbage on a daily basis

Bangladesh actually had one of the highest parasite rates among children until the last decade.

Parasites are quite a global problem: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbio.... I don’t even know why we’re arguing this.

Now we don’t know what toxins are? Really?

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by zthrowaway »

rubicon33 wrote: post #28
zthrowaway wrote: post #22

I think part of this can be attributed to prolonged gut inflammation caused by toxins and parasites. There’s something like 60% of the population has some form of parasite and have no idea, which causes a lot of inflammation and problems. Problems that don’t necessarily point to the gut being the culprit on the surface. So it’s misdiagnosed a lot. I recommend everyone do a gut cleanse once a year.

What do you mean when you say “do a gut cleanse”?

I mean a program (series of herbal supplements) that can cure gut inflammation and help with digestion, and in some circumstances get rid of parasites. Herbal medicine, things that other cultures have been doing for thousands of years. Do I have to prove that turmeric lowers inflammation in the body? What is going on in this thread lol.

“gut cleanse” obviously is a trigger phrase on HN it seems.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by zthrowaway »

cmcaleer wrote: post #117
SapporoChris wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CDC estimates about 60 million are effected by parasites in USA. which is about 17 or 18%. Gut cleanse, colon cleanse, detoxing. None of this is supported by science. Nor would any of these things cure, prevent or in anyway help a parasitic infection. Here are some common parasitic infections and how they're treated. None of these treatments recommend gut cleanse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giardia#Infection https…

Gut cleanses are probably stupid but I wonder if people would benefit from taking antiparasitics prophylactically. It's not something I've ever done, but I eat sashimi pretty regularly and wonder if I should take something like praziquantel because I'm probably at risk for Japanese broad tapeworm, and the symptoms are mild enough I can't really tell without testing, but the price of actually testing is much higher th…

Gut cleanses is really just a herbal medicine protocol you do for a few weeks. Herbal medicine is not stupid, it has been used for thousands of years. Hell even some pharmaceutical drugs use herbs.

Re: Colon cancer now leading cause of cancer deaths under 50 in US

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Post by dbspin »

franktankbank wrote: post #169
dbspin wrote: post #126

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One hundred percent. I work in film, and recently had an argument with a friend around this point. He's incredibly healthy, and frequently works a large number of unsociable hours. I was pointing out that filmmaking hours make no concession for family or age. He'd convinced himself that he'll have no more difficulty doing 80 hour weeks in his forties and fifties than he does in his mid thirties, because he 'takes car…

Certainly people work their way up and fade into a less strenuous role. Surely they don't just kick people to the curb. That would suck.

For set related jobs, the hours are the shoot. If the shoot runs long, everybody's on set. It's an exploitative - and in my view, completely unnecessary - culture. The marriages, parental relationships and health costs cannot be justified by the supposed necessity of dollar savings. But currently - especially in the US, film sets all to often work sweatshop hours. More enlightened practices, like 'French hours' (a ten hour day), are also possible. The films created under these conditions don't seem any worse, and the people involved are inarguably happier and healthier.
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