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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nullocator »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #182
nullocator wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are misunderstanding the situation "The majority of Christians are not in an end times death cult" sure maybe, but the majority of people in the "end times death cult" would loudly and proudly proclaim they are christians and represent christians. It is a failing of "real christians" to not reject and excise this.

'If isn't awful then why aren't more of followers in my timeline calling out 's actions? Those people of that religion are complicit because they don't vocally enough denounce in the way I require therefor they and too are responsible for ' isn't really the 'I'm not bigoted on this' reply you might think it is. It's more just the bog standard 'this is why I am bigoted against X group' justification of bigotry.

Would it surprise you to learn I am a christian, have been my entire life? Maybe not the kind of "christian" you are/are think of though...which I guess was my point entirely. I'm more of a "respect and love thy neighbor kind of guy", than a "we should love our new christ Donald Trump, and go to war on everyone else" kind

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by Devasta »

mancerayder wrote: post #183
Devasta wrote: post #55

Regardless of what you feel about the government of Iran, it is not inaccurate to say that country is in a fight for survival against a cabal of child molestors working to bring about the apocalypse. Anything they do in this conflict is justified, anything less than their total victory is a disaster for the world.

Is that the new anti-semitic trope now, Epstein and the world Jewry? If not, what kind of facts are you linking together to have Iran defending themselves from child molesters? The more I see the intellectual level of the political discussions here, the more I understand why dang and moderators discourage political discourse.

Sorry, is it your assertion that Trump isn't a child molestor???

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by DrProtic »

tgma wrote: post #93
orwin wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every weeks that number increases. Two weeks ago it was 30k, a week ago it was 35k, now it's 40k+, but OSINT sources keep the number around 15k (including 1.3 k from the Iranian government own forces) and don't move it up. I'm pretty sure the real number is higher than the one OSINT resources can give, considering the uprising and repression also happened in small, less connected cities, but the constant increase is…

There have been numbers as high as 90k reported initially, so I wouldn't say it is "moving up" across time but across sources. There is no clear data, but at this point 30-32k appears to be the lower bound estimate over which there's a consensus. Likely to be higher.

Consensus reached by the group that attacked them. Why do we have to go through this every time US attacks someone?

Every time it turns out they lied through their teeth, yet people still believe.

30K is such an incredibly high number that you really have to be gullible to trust it.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by array_key_first »

mancerayder wrote: post #184
phr4ts wrote: post #70

List of terrorist groups sponsored by Iran Government 1. Hezbollah (Lebanon) 2. Hamas (Gaza Strip) 3. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Gaza Strip/West Bank) 4. The Houthis / Ansar Allah (Yemen) 5. Kata'ib Hezbollah (Iraq) 6. Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq (Iraq) 7. Harakat al-Nujaba (Iraq) 8. Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada (Iraq) 9. Harakat Ansar Allah al-Awfiya (Iraq) 10. Kata'ib al-Imam Ali (Iraq) 11. Badr Organization (Iraq) 12. Liwa Fat…

This is downvoted, but comments mentioning pedophilia, Israel controlling the US, and other conspiratorial tropes are getting upvoted. And the folks will leave here believing still that a pro-Israel bias exists here.

I don't see how pedophilia is a conspiratorial trope. The Epstein files are real. Yes it sucks that most of our leaders are the absolute bottom of the barrel of what humanity can offer, but unfortunately it's also the truth.

And I also don't think anyone thinks Israel controls the US. They don't. Rather, the US will do almost anything to defend Israel, even if it's self-destructive. This isn't based off of words or conspiracy, but rather actions. Lots and lots of actions, which cannot be denied.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

nullocator wrote: post #191
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'If isn't awful then why aren't more of followers in my timeline calling out 's actions? Those people of that religion are complicit because they don't vocally enough denounce in the way I require therefor they and too are responsible for ' isn't really the 'I'm not bigoted on this' reply you might think it is. It's more just the bog standard 'this is why I am bigoted against X group' justification of bigotry.

Would it surprise you to learn I am a christian, have been my entire life? Maybe not the kind of "christian" you are/are think of though...which I guess was my point entirely. I'm more of a "respect and love thy neighbor kind of guy", than a "we should love our new christ Donald Trump, and go to war on everyone else" kind

OK. I'm not really christian (but grew up catholic) but know a lot and they are all like you. All hate Trump. All seem to hate war (but they do do fundraisers for Ukraine so I don't know if that is supporting war, it's not to me). And all work hard supporting our poor rural community. There's trump christians here too, but they don't define the religion or mean you can make blanket christian belief claims.

Condemning a religious group based on a few is bigotry. We criticize it when it happens to Muslims, but seem to support it for Christians. Demanding a group denounce other peoples actions or a trait you define to be 'inherent to them' is classic bigotry. Saying a religious group is your political enemy has never led to anything good in history. 'I think trump supporting evangelics who want to bring about armageden blah blah' could be a valid point but 'Christians are a doomsday death cult' isn't.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by vkou »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

That mechanism exists, it's called congress, the problem is that half the country is dancing in the streets over this.

Or at least, it's going to vote the fuckers doing this in again in November.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nebula8804 »

SadErn wrote: post #53
keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

You're watching the wrong game. This isn't politics. This is American imperialism. The constant wars happen regardless of who is elected or what they believe in. Even Obama had his Libya The first thing you must understand, is this is the US protecting the Petro-dollar. China and Iran were trading goods for oil, and bypassing our currency. Nukes are a factor as well. The rest is laid out plainly here: https://datarep…

This person is FAR from an unbiased source and has made regular mistakes that have hurt countless people due to her biases over the last year.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by Hikikomori »

mancerayder wrote: post #183
Devasta wrote: post #55

Regardless of what you feel about the government of Iran, it is not inaccurate to say that country is in a fight for survival against a cabal of child molestors working to bring about the apocalypse. Anything they do in this conflict is justified, anything less than their total victory is a disaster for the world.

Is that the new anti-semitic trope now, Epstein and the world Jewry? If not, what kind of facts are you linking together to have Iran defending themselves from child molesters? The more I see the intellectual level of the political discussions here, the more I understand why dang and moderators discourage political discourse.

It's an Epstein Mossad conspiracy. Maybe true, who knows.

Israel does like to rape their prisoners and let sex criminals hide there.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by Hikikomori »

lwansbrough wrote: post #101
carefree-bob wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I am fine standing idly by as Iran gets nukes, just as we did nothing when Israel got nukes, and we didn't really do much besides sanctions after North Korea got nukes. Of all these three examples of nuclear states, Israel is the only one that actually committed espionage against the US to obtain nuclear secrets, and we didn't bomb them. The USSR also committed espionage to steal nuclear secrets from the US and…

The USSR acquiring nuclear weapons was the closest humanity has come to complete annihilation. We were one bad day away from extinction during the Cold War. I'm not sure I would point to that as something we should do more of. Not to mention the potential for accidents and mistakes. I don't think bombing a country should be the first course of action. Diplomatic action should leave no stone unturned. But if all of th…

Iran had a deal and wasn't working on bombs, according go all US intelligence agencies. It just failed because trump ripped up the deal.

Last year they were getting close to a deal. It also just failed as Israel killed Irans negotiators.

This situation is engineered.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by snvzz »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #62

Why are threads on this topic (and its adjacents) always full of Americans blaming Israel for their own country’s actions? Is it a coping mechanism to not accept any moral accountability? Israel is minuscule in every way compared to the US.

Because, factually, this is a story about Israel's bombing of Iranian oil depots.
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