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Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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I'd rather be a robot than a human, so from my perspective, the answer is clearly clearly none. I just don't have the option of turning into a robot.

There are already robots, well I suppose LLM's and average person treats them like utter shit because we can (In a similar way to how the rich might treat average person sometimes* [not all and that's not really my point either] but yea) My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings. you wouldn't be spared. So are you asking the lack of feelings? And even if that's the case then, there are people who…

> My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings.

This is one of the biggest reasons I'd rather be a robot. The anguish they cause me do not help me.

> He couldn't really compare between two decisions.

Such is life without a ground truth to decide your priorities. There are hopefully other source of that than emotions.

> A robot has no purpose other than being spawned in to create something brittle like yet-another-crud-app.

Neither do humans.

If being a robot is shit, but being human is also shit, then then I can only really conclude that it's better to not be at all.

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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That is a genuinely fascinating take because we all hear about how japan is having a population crisis (which it definitely is), and I had always considered Countries like Norway etc. to be one of the top spots if I ever wish to immigrate. (Also this comment is really detailed and genuinely interesting to read!) I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners (even more so than current form of A…

> I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners To be clear, Japan is much larger than most people realise -- slightly larger than Germany. In 2026, if you work in tech or finance, you are 99% likely to work in Tokyo. (I don't write that to look down upon any other places in Japan where foreigners live and work!) In the central area of Tokyo (roughly the Yamanote loop train line and about 1-2…

The lifestyle I am describing definitely works best in Tokyo, but I have lived in Kyoto as well and while accessibility wasn't as good, I still had Osaka ~40 mins away for any Tokyo-scale market needs. Osaka has its own Akihabara I could buy electrics at, if I so didn't want to order online. Compared to Kyoto, I do notice that I feel a lot more integrated in Tokyo - people don't necessarily assume I am a tourist. They are definitely fed up in Kyoto and I found myself having to explain that I was not a tourist a lot.

> In all rich (non-micro-state) countries, outside of big cities, they are all driving nations

I think this is a key takeaway. Urban life is a city thing no matter where you live. Of course, if you lived in Tokyo, you could live an hour away from things and still live in a city with good public transport (Saitama, yokohama, chiba, etc). But then you could probably afford a house with a car as well. Seems like a nice life.

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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That is a genuinely fascinating take because we all hear about how japan is having a population crisis (which it definitely is), and I had always considered Countries like Norway etc. to be one of the top spots if I ever wish to immigrate. (Also this comment is really detailed and genuinely interesting to read!) I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners (even more so than current form of A…

> I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners To be clear, Japan is much larger than most people realise -- slightly larger than Germany. In 2026, if you work in tech or finance, you are 99% likely to work in Tokyo. (I don't write that to look down upon any other places in Japan where foreigners live and work!) In the central area of Tokyo (roughly the Yamanote loop train line and about 1-2…

> Can you share your home country/culture? I am curious.

I live in India and we have a very vegetarian society comparatively to the rest of world and our cuisine is developed with this in mind.

From Samosas and gol gappas to Pav bhaji to Shahi Paneer to the more European style cuisine like french fries, burgers and even the Chinese cuisine like spring roll, finger chips and momos are all vegetarian food.

And I can eat all of this by moving like what 100-200 meters, there's a shop which makes these foods and before that there comes a locally owned convenience store and also an shop owned by an uncle who used to work in our military and they have specific canteens where they can buy things from cheap (as a sort of thank you to service to nation)

And I live in a random city within India where my family has been living for generations at this point. The place I eat my fries, they are a couple who make food and I have seen them eating their own food so they are a foodie too.

So its absolutely sad to me to see some people pick some videos on the internet and portray it as bad when its actually really cool :Another point is that street food is one of the cheapest here. I can eat till my heart desires in less than 3-4$. Usually when I eat something from outside, it costs 2$.

I think my point is that this is genuinely a really great place for vegetarian food and Indian cuisine is very spicy.

For what its worth tho I should mention that I used to eat eggs/egg rolls sometimes but I used to eat them so few that I have just stopped eating them for the most part now.

> All of the reactionary screed that you are seeing on YouTube or reading from low quality news sources about negative reactions to foreigners can be generally ignored. It is not the reality on the ground. Yes, there will be isolated incidents by assholes, but they are far, far less than 1% of common interactions. Also, if you speak even a tiny amount of Japanese (100+ words) and make an effort to speak Japanese and be polite, they will immediately see that you are not some annoying tourist and treat you better.

Yeah, I do get that in the sense that certain negative aspects of a country which doesn't reflect the ground truth can be shown to everybody on youtube. I do realize this point.

I'd say the same is true for India as well even within the northern and southern state where Northern Indians prefer Southern Indians to speak Hindi and Southern prefer if Northern Indians speak Kannada and the local language. And both might want somewhat of the same thing if you are foreigner as well.

Here we are more likely to take selfies with foreigners (I have never seen one in my city fwiw) so I am curious if japan feels the same way or is there something more to it?

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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> I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners To be clear, Japan is much larger than most people realise -- slightly larger than Germany. In 2026, if you work in tech or finance, you are 99% likely to work in Tokyo. (I don't write that to look down upon any other places in Japan where foreigners live and work!) In the central area of Tokyo (roughly the Yamanote loop train line and about 1-2…

The lifestyle I am describing definitely works best in Tokyo, but I have lived in Kyoto as well and while accessibility wasn't as good, I still had Osaka ~40 mins away for any Tokyo-scale market needs. Osaka has its own Akihabara I could buy electrics at, if I so didn't want to order online. Compared to Kyoto, I do notice that I feel a lot more integrated in Tokyo - people don't necessarily assume I am a tourist. The…

How affordable are houses in Japan if I may ask. I have heard Houses being given for free in Japan or very less but also like the idea of just having very affordable houses in Japan.

This seems to be the most important factor to me at times too so can you tell me more about it too perhaps?

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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- Nice things are within walkable distance living in a major city. In Norway we live mostly in suburbs. Living in the city is unaffordable. Zoning matters. Being able to just walk out of my apartment and do things spontaneously in my own area is a life changer. I can't describe how much the change in mindset from "I'll do a half day trip into town" to "I'll pop two train stops over" did for me - private individuals c…

That is a genuinely fascinating take because we all hear about how japan is having a population crisis (which it definitely is), and I had always considered Countries like Norway etc. to be one of the top spots if I ever wish to immigrate. (Also this comment is really detailed and genuinely interesting to read!) I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners (even more so than current form of A…

> I have heard that Japan has a very negative connotation of foreigners (even more so than current form of America) so I am interested to hear your thoughts on that.

This is not true at all. It's rumors people spread on Twitter based on news articles about overtourism causing issues. I suspect it is somewhat caused by westerners trying to understand through their own worldview - foreigner hate is a hot topic in basically the entire west at the moment, so it is easy for us to make the connection that "Overtourism is bad so they hate us". Yes, some are exhausted. I lived in Kyoto for a while and some of them are fed up. Tokyo as well - golden gai (a bar area) has definitely changed. People turn their brain off when they are on holiday and don't behave, and this is just human nature. We have towns with overtourism issues in Norway as well, I have seen Norwegians crack and have meltdowns over it before.

Frankly most Japanese are just happy you care about their country. If you speak a bit, they love to show you stuff. They are proud of their country, but also happy to be recognized for it. Most are super kind, and I've had so many good experiences. The only time I had a bad experience, we were rejected from a completely empty restaurant. They thought we were American (we were in Nagasaki), and the second they heard European they called us back.

> I am able to see some similarities with Japan within my own country as well, namely the idea of everything being close. I can't speak about food but being vegetarian, and my country primarily being so too. I actually love our own cultural cuisine. (Anecdotally I watched I think JaidenAnimations where she had issues in japan about some vegan aspects but yeah)

Vegan food in _Tokyo_ is easier nowadays but still hard. You need to know your way around.

> [good, bad sides, work culture]

Yeah. I think it makes best sense to try living there if you have an interest in the culture you'd like to explore. The horror stories are real.

> [Sweden, Norway]

Great countries, but not much buying power. Everyone is expected to buy apartments as they are the best investment objects, and pay mortgages. But apartments are so expensive, you don't really have much left at the end of the month. I certainly feel wealthier than my friends, even though they earn much more than me, but I also don't have a mortgage (yet).

> A good job (work-culture) in Japan (South Asia in general?) >= Normalcy in Norway > Toxic job in Japan

Sounds about right. It depends on what you like. As I wrote, if you are family oriented Norway is probably good. A good wage in Norway will definitely give you a great life. But you end up spending all that money on simply getting to places with interesting things (UK, Europe), or importing the stuff to you.

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

#196

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The lifestyle I am describing definitely works best in Tokyo, but I have lived in Kyoto as well and while accessibility wasn't as good, I still had Osaka ~40 mins away for any Tokyo-scale market needs. Osaka has its own Akihabara I could buy electrics at, if I so didn't want to order online. Compared to Kyoto, I do notice that I feel a lot more integrated in Tokyo - people don't necessarily assume I am a tourist. The…

How affordable are houses in Japan if I may ask. I have heard Houses being given for free in Japan or very less but also like the idea of just having very affordable houses in Japan. This seems to be the most important factor to me at times too so can you tell me more about it too perhaps?

I have to admit I haven't looked at house pricing much yet, mostly because buying isn't something I am planning on doing until I commit to permanent residency. But I can say the rumor that Japanese houses decrease in value seems to not count closer to Tokyo city center, so it isn't necessarily a bad investment. Talking to Japanese it seems they move out into the suburbs when they transition into the house buying part of life, because that's where it is affordable.

Renting apartments is also relatively affordable. I rented a standard 1k(bedroom + kitchen in the hallway) 14sqm apartment near the yamanote line (look it up "Tokyo 1k apartment" and you will see some floormaps). This cost 85k yen/mo, or ~650 USD in 2022 money.

When it comes to the free houses (akiya), there is apparently often a catch that you are expected to renovate them within a deadline, so you don't just get free property.

Greg from "Life Where I'm From" is a reputable source, and he has a lot of experience with property "out in the sticks". I recommend watching this, and maybe some other videos he has made regarding Nikko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3I9KXkJFPU

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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I grew up on a small village in a small island. The yogurt lady was an essential part of the community. Many stay-at-home moms (including my mom) seemed to enjoy her visit. She and my mom talked a lot, sometimes for hours (I still can't figure out how she completed her job when she spent so much time with one person). They chatted about recent events, like the daughter of the fisherman gave birth, the great-grandpa o…

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Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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There are already robots, well I suppose LLM's and average person treats them like utter shit because we can (In a similar way to how the rich might treat average person sometimes* [not all and that's not really my point either] but yea) My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings. you wouldn't be spared. So are you asking the lack of feelings? And even if that's the case then, there are people who…

> My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings. This is one of the biggest reasons I'd rather be a robot. The anguish they cause me do not help me. > He couldn't really compare between two decisions. Such is life without a ground truth to decide your priorities. There are hopefully other source of that than emotions. > A robot has no purpose other than being spawned in to create something brittle li…

> Such is life without a ground truth to decide your priorities. There are hopefully other source of that than emotions.

Sadly, Even if you live a life based on some ground base of morals, those morals come from the inevitability of death personally as I said in previous comment. I am not hopeful about it and science isn't either seeing the experiments of those people that I mentioned.

> Neither do humans.If being a robot is shit, but being human is also shit, then then I can only really conclude that it's better to not be at all.

That is another point I touched (in the next paragraph). We humans are also just like random particles fwiw but I believe that no matter how small action we take , it can have consequences.

At some point tho, I sometimes hate the world too (how could you not) but not enough to not be at all. If anything I maybe hate myself if say I am not being productive or anything more than I hate the world, which has been quite a bit kind to me too and some people are bad too yeah. It's a mix of both.

So although I don't have quite the answer. I believe that at some point, we have to accept our own autonomy and act towards what we want whether in personal life or the changes we want in the world. Even if we don't use that freedom at times and the life cycle of day feels weird.

It's still nice knowing that we can have freedom maybe. But I think that everyone wings it in life at some point or another. Maybe some wing better than others but the only thing is probably keep trying at some point and happiness comes along the way too, I am not that sure if I am the right person to be the person talking about these stuff right now haha :) but these are just some opinions I hold.

Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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> My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings. This is one of the biggest reasons I'd rather be a robot. The anguish they cause me do not help me. > He couldn't really compare between two decisions. Such is life without a ground truth to decide your priorities. There are hopefully other source of that than emotions. > A robot has no purpose other than being spawned in to create something brittle li…

> Such is life without a ground truth to decide your priorities. There are hopefully other source of that than emotions. Sadly, Even if you live a life based on some ground base of morals, those morals come from the inevitability of death personally as I said in previous comment. I am not hopeful about it and science isn't either seeing the experiments of those people that I mentioned. > Neither do humans.If being a…

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Re: Yoghurt delivery women combatting loneliness in Japan

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- Nice things are within walkable distance living in a major city. In Norway we live mostly in suburbs. Living in the city is unaffordable. Zoning matters. Being able to just walk out of my apartment and do things spontaneously in my own area is a life changer. I can't describe how much the change in mindset from "I'll do a half day trip into town" to "I'll pop two train stops over" did for me - private individuals c…

> less enshittification Years ago, I had a friend tell me: "You cannot buy a lemon (shitty used car) in Japan." That was the phrase he used to describe Japanese culture to outsiders/visitors. I still think there is a lot of truth in it. Unfortunately, in many countries, buying a used car is a gamble. Not in Japan because people are more honest, and it is a high trust society. It is hard to explain the magic of Japane…

There have been used car scandals in Japan as well! Look up Bigmotor. But this is probably an outlier.

Mostly it is a high trust society and it makes things a _lot easier_. It feels so good to let down my guard. Of course, there are tonnes of people that want things from you (anyone who has lived here will tell you about the mt. fuji cult), the general "if things are too good to be true they are" rule still works well here. But trusting that things work just hits different.

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