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Post by goldenarm »

Tharre wrote: post #173
goldenarm wrote: post #9

Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…

> Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Not sustainable as opposed to what, exactly? Developing and maintaining a completely different mobile operating system? Focusing on truly open platforms sound nice in theory, but completely falls apart the moment you consider what people want to do with their phones co…

(Reposting my comment from below)

Brave said they'll try to maintain temporarily limited MV2 support for only 4 specific extensions, but recommend Brave Shields as the go-to adblocker for the future. Google is about to remove most of the MV2 code from the codebase, which will explode the complexity soon.

https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by malka1986 »

fsflover wrote: post #97
goldenarm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more OSS devs active on Android ROMs than OSS devs working on independent mobile OSes. We are running out of time, and we are misallocating ressources. It's like bailing out water from the Titanic. We should prepare the lifeboats instead.

(GNU/)Linux on mobile is the true sustanable, independent OS. It relies on the existing, strong Linux development, natively runs existing Linux apps and guarantees you lifetime updates. What else do you need? Sent from my Librem 5.

I need my bank app to run on it.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by cogman10 »

odeckmyn wrote: post #180
cogman10 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty strange that the only subject you seem to have expertise in is e/os. Over a year and that's the only thing you've felt comfortable in discussing?

and so what? should I ask for permission to discuss something? it's crazy how omniscient people are aggressive on the internet. Is that your normal behaviour IRL??

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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

rapnie wrote: post #71
ergocoder wrote: post #69

I worked at Google before, so I trust Google more than these random organizations that claim they are better than Google at handling sensitive info.

That is all nice and well, but Google is primarily an advertisement business. A huge corporation that gained enormous power that operates only to satisfy its own self interest. So that gives us non-Googlers more to think about than just that consideration to take into account.

It is an entirely realistic scenario which afaik data backs up that most people don't change their default privacy related settings which Google profits from, but in case of actually setting their provided privacy settings ON, they do work.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

HunOL wrote: post #103
pferde wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pixel's "deep integration with Google" is in the OS, so if you replace the OS with GrapheneOS, there is no deep integration anymore.

Yes, but I made an argument about /e/OS and GrapheneOS. You never knows what will work or stop working.

Motorola just made a deal with GrapheneOS, so I'd vager they're going to be around for longer on that basis alone.

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

microtonal wrote: post #107
soufron wrote: post #59

Well E/OS is mainly about privacy. And about getting rid of Google. And it works. To me that's more important and it's a better vision.

I you ever cross a border or attend a demonstration, privacy requires security. Unfortunately, /e/OS (and most hardware) is severely lacking in that department.

Why? Care to elaborate?

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Post by kgwxd »

goldenarm wrote: post #9

Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…

> even Brave is about to do it

Why anyone ever gave that browser a second of trust is beyond be. The damn thing was built on hijacking ad revenue into some imaginary IOU crypto thing, and built by a creep.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by fsflover »

malka1986 wrote: post #192
fsflover wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(GNU/)Linux on mobile is the true sustanable, independent OS. It relies on the existing, strong Linux development, natively runs existing Linux apps and guarantees you lifetime updates. What else do you need? Sent from my Librem 5.

I need my bank app to run on it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216763

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by skobes »

odeckmyn wrote: post #180
cogman10 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty strange that the only subject you seem to have expertise in is e/os. Over a year and that's the only thing you've felt comfortable in discussing?

and so what? should I ask for permission to discuss something? it's crazy how omniscient people are aggressive on the internet. Is that your normal behaviour IRL??

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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by em-bee »

goldenarm wrote: post #135
b3orn wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call Android user hostile. What makes most Android phones user hostile is Google Play Services.

I can call Android user hostile. Most Banks and gov apps require play services nowadays, and Google is about to ban app installation outside of their store. Cherry on top, the play store is mostly adware junk. My parents phones are full of adware, bloatware, notification spam, it's almost worse than windows 11.

so it's the play services. /e/OS has none of these problems except for apps that require original play services. so yeah, those don't work.

interesting tidbit: my bank offers their app from google and from huawei store. it doesn't work on /e/OS however. (but that might also be a /e/OS bug).

this means what we really need is a viable play store alternative. EU regulations could make that happen.

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