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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Didn't the safety-conscious employees already leave when OpenAI fired Sam Altman and then re-hired him? In my mind the only people left are those who are there for the stocks.

In all seriousness, what’s the average tenure at OpenAI and how much of the company in March 2026 was even around for that?

It's comforting to know that some of the brightest minds of our generation are going to work at OpenAI, then quitting a few months later horrified, only to post a short mysterious tweet warning everyone of the dangers ahead. So much for alignment and serving humanity.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

#192

For the people that don't understand how they got a deal with the same redlines, it probably because OpenAI agreed to not question them. The safeguards are there, both parties agree now fuck off and let us use your model how we see fit. Anthropic probably made the mistake of questioning the Military's activities related to Claude after the Venezuela mission and wanted reassurance that the model wouldn't be used for t…

Anthropic vs OpenAI will probably be The Machine vs Samaritan

(Person Of Interest for those who haven't seen it, watched it a decade ago and it's actually quite surprising how on point it ended up being)

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

#193

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Good ole Sammy has never lied

If your starting position is already that Sam Altman lies about everything that doesn't fit your preconceived positions, that doesn't seem like a very useful meaningful position to update.

The company started with a lie, it's in the name.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

Human responsibility is not the same as human decision making. And they are crossing the picket line, which honestly I was sure they would do, though I did expect it to take a bit longer. This is too transparent even for sama.

>Human responsibility is not the same as human decision making.

this is going to end up being interpreted as "well, the president signed off on the operation. see - there's a human in the loop!" - is it?

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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The difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. In both cases, the two parties can claim to agree on the principles, but when push comes to shove, who decides on whether the principles are violated differs.

> The difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. You learned this where?

I’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements, but there’s also this: https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

#196
>human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems

So there’s the difference, and an erasure of a red line. OpenAI is good with autonomous weapon systems. Requiring human responsibility isn’t saying much. Theres already military courts, rules of engagement, and international rules of war.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

#198
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We need some kind of group like "tech people with morals". I'm done with these people and their corruption and garbage.

Yeah some new banner to organise around- the hard part is easily communicating you're an ethical technologist and finding others.

Also, it's probably tricky to find a Schelling point that a broad range of people can agree to.

* no military use

* no lethal use

* no use in support of law enforcement

* no use in support of immigration enforcement

* no use in mass surveillance

* no use in domestic mass surveillance (but mass surveillance of foreigners is OK)

* no use in domestic surveillance

* no use in surveillance

* require independent audits

* require court oversight

* require company to monitor use

* require company to monitor use and divulge it to employees

* some other form of human rights monitoring or auditing

* some other form of restriction on theaters/conflicts/targets

* company will permit some of these uses (not purport to forbid them by license, contract, or ToS) but not customize software to facilitate them

* company can unilaterally block inappropriate uses

* company can publicly disclose uses it thinks are inappropriate

* some other form of remedy

* government literally has to explain why some uses are necessary or appropriate to reassure people developing capabilities, and they have some kind of ongoing bargaining power to push back

It feels normal to me that a lot of people would want some of those things, but kind of unlikely that they would readily agree on exactly which ones.

I even think there's a different intuition about the baseline because one version is "nobody works on weapons except for people who specifically make a decision to work for an arms company because they have decided that's OK according to their moral views" (working on weapons is an abnormal, deliberate decision) and another version is "every company might sell every technology as part of a weapons system or military application, and a few people then object because they've decided that's not OK according to their moral views" (refusing to work on weapons is an abnormal, deliberate decision). I imagine a fair number of people in computing fields effectively thought that the norm or default for their industry was the latter, because of the perception that there are "special" military contractors where people get security clearances and navigate military procurement processes, and most companies are not like that, so you were not working on any form of weapon unless you intentionally chose to do so. But, having just been to the Computer History Museum earlier this week, I also see that a lot of Silicon Valley companies have actually been making weapons systems for as long as there has been a Silicon Valley.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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post #195

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> The difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. You learned this where?

I’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements, but there’s also this: https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230

> I’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements

You should have said this.

> https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230

Thank you.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

#200
China has evacuated its embassies in Iran.

This is really about the imminent strike on Iran which is now super telegraphed. They are gonna use ChatGPT for target selection, and the likely outcome is that it will fuck things up and a bunch of civilians are going to die because of this decision.

When this happens, Altman will go from being merely a drifter to having blood on his hands.

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