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President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by chii »

smalltorch wrote: post #59
paozac wrote: post #41

This might actually make Anthropic very popular among those who do not support the current US presidency, a significant market share.

Take notes other AI companies. This is a totally fine line to draw and it's not even that high bar. Dont allow systems to be built with your AI that automate mass surveillance or automate kill decisions.

> Dont allow systems to be built with your AI

those systems will be built regardless. That type of boycott being asked from companies is essentially asking companies to not make profit where there's profit to be made, when those doing the asking is not also taking in any sacrifices for this boycott.

Instead of asking companies to be altruistic, those wanting such systems to be illegal should be using the civic system we have today to make it so - yes, this costs effort, resources and time. Like all hard things.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by tombert »

paozac wrote: post #41

This might actually make Anthropic very popular among those who do not support the current US presidency, a significant market share.

They got at least one more subscriber as of about twenty minutes ago since I just canceled my ChatGPT Pro subscription and moved to Anthropic.

Sam Altman immediately capitulating to the Trump administration after bragging like four hours ago about he wouldn't shows a distinct lack of integrity. It's not like ChatGPT is categorically better than Claude, I just didn't bother change to Claude before purely out of my previous inertia with ChatGPT.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by YZF »

paozac wrote: post #41

This might actually make Anthropic very popular among those who do not support the current US presidency, a significant market share.

Claude Code seems to be the best at programming right now. I think if Anthropic can maintain or increase their lead they'll have no shortage of customers. I imagine Anthropic's business is driven by business customers rather than individual paying customers at this point.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by ericmcer »

garciasn wrote: post #51
p-o wrote: post #38

The messaging is not normal, the intent is absolutely abhorrent. With every passing week, the rhetoric coming from him gets more violent: I'm worried.

Now you're worried? Come on. He is using the Bully Pulpit to try and pressure other companies to toeing the line. At least someone had the balls to tell them to get fucked instead of kowtowing.

I am not worried, he is behaving the same way he did in 2020 when he fucked up his reelection by ranting like a dictator.

He is gonna get slaughtered in midterms, be hamstrung his last two years and then go away.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by LarsDu88 »

chii wrote: post #191
smalltorch wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take notes other AI companies. This is a totally fine line to draw and it's not even that high bar. Dont allow systems to be built with your AI that automate mass surveillance or automate kill decisions.

> Dont allow systems to be built with your AI those systems will be built regardless. That type of boycott being asked from companies is essentially asking companies to not make profit where there's profit to be made, when those doing the asking is not also taking in any sacrifices for this boycott. Instead of asking companies to be altruistic, those wanting such systems to be illegal should be using the civic system…

The thing is, other companies can pick up that slack. Heck even distillation attacks against claude can be used to create such models

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by aceazzameen »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #43
aaronharnly wrote: post #36

This is the Truth Social post, which the article quotes but doesn't quite convey the flavor of: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1161445529692... > THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL NEVER ALLOW A RADICAL LEFT, WOKE COMPANY TO DICTATE HOW OUR GREAT MILITARY FIGHTS AND WINS WARS! That decision belongs to YOUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, and the tremendous leaders I appoint to run our Military. > The Leftwing nut…

I mentioned his insane threats to Netflix earlier and tried to Google an article that referenced it. None of them linked or even broadly quoted it. There's been a concerted effort to hide the fact that the US President is posting insane shit every day for years.

The concerted effort to hide his insane rants is unforgivable.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by YZF »

smalltorch wrote: post #59
paozac wrote: post #41

This might actually make Anthropic very popular among those who do not support the current US presidency, a significant market share.

Take notes other AI companies. This is a totally fine line to draw and it's not even that high bar. Dont allow systems to be built with your AI that automate mass surveillance or automate kill decisions.

With the price of tokens I think mass surveillance with AI is not a realistic use case.

There already is a mass surveillance. Presumably most electronic communication is monitored. I guess LLMs can likely do a somewhat better job but probably not worth the cost for the marginal benefit over existing technologies?

Similarly for "Terminators" or other AI killing machines... Isn't it cheaper to use a human? We have autonomous weapons already, like cruise missiles... Other than the movies what does a reality with LLMs pulling triggers look like? Cars are also "killing machines" and we're letting computers drive them...

Unfortunately if these things do start making sense for whatever reason they're probably going to happen. Private companies in general have no way to prevent their technology from being used for "defense" applications. Once that genie is out of the bottle it's not going back in.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by Llamamoe »

_alternator_ wrote: post #127

This should come as no surprise. The administration has no tolerance for anyone with “values” or “scruples” that challenge their power. They fired Judge Advocate Generals (military lawyers) that refused to authorize strikes on civilian boats, for one recent example. If you say ‘no’ for any reason, they fire you.

I think it has also been pretty clear from the beginning of his current term that the primary principle of this administration is to pass whatever has been paid for. E.g. the literally hundreds of executive orders that he started signing en masse the moment he got elected, none of which were written in his style or pen or even possible to write in such volume for a single person in a single day.

Re: President Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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Post by braebo »

YZF wrote: post #194
paozac wrote: post #41

This might actually make Anthropic very popular among those who do not support the current US presidency, a significant market share.

Claude Code seems to be the best at programming right now. I think if Anthropic can maintain or increase their lead they'll have no shortage of customers. I imagine Anthropic's business is driven by business customers rather than individual paying customers at this point.

It’s the best at everything. OpenAI models are dangerously stupid enough as it is. Not much can phase me these days, but a sycophantic ChatGPT in a kill chain is nightmare fuel.
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