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Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Post by deltoidmaximus »

Frieren wrote: post #127
nielsbot wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this sarcasm?

It is well know that big corporations take good regulations and change them to make them: 1. Easier to bypass for themselves. 2. Create extra work for incumbents. 3. Convince the public that the problems are solved so no other action is needed. In many industries goverment and corporations work together to create regulations bypassing the social movements that asked for the industry to be regulated and their actual p…

See the Mattel lead painted toy scandal. The end result was congress passed regulations that manufacturers had to have their toys tested for lead and then made large companies like Mattel exempt from it because they were deemed large enough to handle it on their own. Even though they were the reason for the legislation because they weren't handling it on their own. Mattel sells lead painted toys and congress responds by hobbling their competitors.

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Post by ozmodiar »

rco8786 wrote: post #179
watwut wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oops, said the quiet part out loud that it’s all about money. “I mean, if all of our competitors are kicking puppies in the face, it doesn’t make sense for us to not do it too. Maybe we’ll also kick kittens while we’re at it”. I mean, yes, that is actually how world works. That is why we need safety, environmental and other anti-fraud regulations. Because without them, competition makes it so that every successful…

Yes, this. It's unfortunate that anthropic dropped this and it's also exactly how the system is supposed to work. Companies don't regulate themselves, the government regulates the companies. Now, you may notice that the government is also choosing not to regulate these companies...which is another matter altogether.

It's so much worse than that. The government actively encourages a lack of business ethics. Heck, it started the term with a crypto rug pull. Money continues to funnel upward to all the worst players, and watchdogs are being targeted and destroyed. Even if you get new people in power, you're going to find the upper echelons completely full of outlandishly wealthy, morally bankrupt individuals that are very politically active. And now they have access to all of our communications and an AI to sift through it looking for dissent (or to spark its own). I guess this is the end game of "move fast and break things." The situation was never good, but it continues to get worse at an alarming rate.

Re: Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

Fervicus wrote: post #194

To me this feels like a marketing gimmick. "It was the RSP that was constraining our tech. Just see the progress we can make without it now". And the hype and funding continues.

That will be nice but I'm afraid it's more about using these to kill people.

https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-hegseth-ai-pentagon-mil...

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Post by isodev »

nickserv wrote: post #186
isodev wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, Anthropic can’t afford to be the ones that impose any kind of sense in the market - that’s supposed to be the job of the government by creating policy, regulations and installing watchdogs to monitor things. But lucky for the AI companies, most of them are based in place that only has a government on paper and everyone forgot where that paper is.

The government is why they are dropping their pledge. https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-hegseth-ai-pentagon-mil...

That's because their government is asking for things that shouldn't be asked - again, no regulation, no oversight.

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Post by fatata123 »

lebovic wrote: post #156

I used to work at Anthropic. I fully believe that the folks mentioned in the article, like Jared Kaplan, are well-intentioned and concerned about the relationship between safety research and frontier capabilities – not purely profit. That said, I'm not thrilled about this. I joined Anthropic with the impression that the responsible scaling policy was a binding pre-commitment for exactly this scenario: they wouldn't s…

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Post by surgical_fire »

latexr wrote: post #151

> “We felt that it wouldn't actually help anyone for us to stop training AI models,” How magnanimous! They are only thinking of others, you see. They are rejecting their safety pledge for you . > “We didn't really feel, with the rapid advance of AI, that it made sense for us to make unilateral commitments … if competitors are blazing ahead.” Oops, said the quiet part out loud that it’s all about money. “I mean, if al…

> For all of you who thought Anthropic were “the good guys”

Was anyone fooled by this?

I mean, I know this is HN and there is a demographic here that gets all misty eyed about the benevolence of corporations.

It takes a special kind of naivety to believe in those claims.

Re: Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Post by andsoitis »

The race is on for military supremacy in an AI world. The safest thing to do is to race ahead lest your geopolitical adversary leads the way. This is similar to the nuclear arms race. In the ideal universe, nobody does it, but in the real world and game theory, you do not have a choice.
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