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How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

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Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#191

Does this mean computer boards will someday have one or more slots for an AI chip? Or peripheral devices containing AI models, which can be plugged into computer's high speed port?

It doesn't even need to be high speed. A minimal chip would have four pins: VCC, GND, TX, and RX. Even one-dollar microcontrollers can handle megabit-speed serial connections, which is fast enough for LLM communication.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#192
post #82

I’m just wondering how this translates to computer manufacturers like Apple. Could we have these kinds of chips built directly into computers within three years? With insanely fast, local on-demand performance comparable to today’s models?

and run an outdated model for 3 years while progress is exponential? what is the point of that

Bake in a Genius Bar employee, trained on your model's hardware, whose entire reason for existence is to fix your computer when it breaks. If it takes an extra 50 cents of die space but saves Apple a dollar of support costs over the lifetime of the device, it's worth it.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#194
Ohh neat! A generalized version of this was the topic of my PhD dissertation:

https://kilthub.cmu.edu/articles/thesis/Modern_Gate_Array_De...

And they are likely doing something similar to put their LLMs in silicon. I would believe a 10x electricity boost along with it being much faster.

The idea is that you can create a sea of generalized standard cells and it makes for a gate array at the manufacturing layer. This was also done 20 or so years ago, it was called a "structured ASIC".

I'd be curious to see if they use the LUT design of traditional structured ASICs or figured what what I did: you can use standard cells to do the same thing and use regular tools/PDKs to make it.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#195
post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are chips that become e-waste the second a better a model comes out, and nvidia is already limited by TSMC capacity.

This is a ridiculous mindset. Llama 3.1 8B can do lots of things today and it'll still be able to do those things tomorrow. If you baked one of these into a smart speaker that could call tools to control lights and play music, it will still be able to do that when Llama 4 or 5 or 6 comes out.

If you pay $1,500 for a Mistral ASIC that is beaten by a $15 Qwen ASIC that comes out six months later, you'd be feeling pretty dang ridiculous.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#196
post #57

Is Taalas' approach scalable to larger models?

The top comment on Friday's discussion does some math on die size. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47086634

Since model size determines die size, and die size has absolute limits as well as a correlation with yield, eventually it hits physical and economic limits. There was also some discussion about ganging chips.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#197

Just me or does this seems incredibly frightening to anyone else? Imagine printing a misaligned LLM this way and never being able to update the HW to run a different (aligned) model

It frightens me no more than the possibility of building a flawed airplane or a computer that overheats (looking at you, NVIDIA 12-pin) and "never being able to update the HW". Product recalls and redesigns exist for a reason.

If this happens, womp womp, recall the misaligned LLMs and learn from the mistake. It's part of running a hardware business as opposed to a software one.

I can't imagine they'd go for a full production run before at least testing a couple chips and finding issues.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a ridiculous mindset. Llama 3.1 8B can do lots of things today and it'll still be able to do those things tomorrow. If you baked one of these into a smart speaker that could call tools to control lights and play music, it will still be able to do that when Llama 4 or 5 or 6 comes out.

If you pay $1,500 for a Mistral ASIC that is beaten by a $15 Qwen ASIC that comes out six months later, you'd be feeling pretty dang ridiculous.

I'm equally capable of making up numbers to support my perspective but I don't see the point.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#199
post #57

Is Taalas' approach scalable to larger models?

From what I read here, the required chip size would scale linearly with the number of model weights. That alone puts a ceiling on the size of model.

Also the defect rate grows as the chip grows. It seems like there might be room for innovation in fault tolerance here, compared to a CPU where a randomly flipped bit can be catastrophic.

Re: How Taalas “prints” LLM onto a chip?

#200
post #50

Who's going to pay for custom chips when they shit out new models every two weeks and their deluded CEOs keep promising AGI in two release cycles?

Re-read Brave New World. Deltas and Epsilons have their place, even if Alphas and Betas got smarter overnight.

Roof! Roof!

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