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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by breakyerself »

ycucucjc wrote: post #167
breakyerself wrote: post #113

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> 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. This is bullshit. Donald Trump isn't a credible source on statistics about immigration. The highest percentage I can find for food stamps is 54% and a high percentage of food stamps recipients are employed. https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota?utm_sourc... Asylum seekers in the US are a net positive source of revenue. They also create j…

A mere 54%.

54 is lower than 72 and only a fraction of people receiving food benefits receive additional benefits that would qualify them as being on "welfare"

2/3 of natural born US citizens will live in a household that receives food assistance at some point in their lives. 60-75% of Somolis are working. So there's a good percentage there that are working and paying taxes, but need some extra assistance.

I don't see a lot of fake news/statistics going around about white immigrants to the US. Funny how it's all Somolis and Hatians that are stuck being smeared by misinformation. What could that be about.

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Post by JCattheATM »

spwa4 wrote: post #189
JCattheATM wrote: post #170

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> Well, it doesn't, at least not at the moment. Oops. No, it still does. > but a certain amount of backlash was to be expected. Ultimately by lower class people who tend to be racist, though. Mostly it's just that they don't like seeing new languages and foods popup. > in a democracy I would think that arguing that "the uneducated masses" are wrong is a quick path to irrelevancy. Maybe, but the uneducated masses shou…

> Maybe, but the uneducated masses shouldn't be making these decisions, which is why democracy is the real problem here. Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? ... which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way. Because if that's the cas…

> Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really?

I think a superior system to the one we have now is one where progressive values are embedded in from the start. Objectively, they are superior positions that can be backed up by data.

> which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way

These people routinely vote against their own interests. They shouldn't have a say.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by Sabinus »

JCattheATM wrote: post #181
sgt wrote: post #177

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Indeed more difficult but shouldn't be an issue, just a bit more admin work to apply for visas etc.

Visas that you are no longer guaranteed, lol. It's literally all downsides, which you (not you personally) agreed to because of ego, thinking you can go back to a time when 'the sun never sets', when in actuality you've hastened much longer nights.

Sgt did personally agree to it because of ego. They cite wanting the UK to be a superpower again as one of the benefits of Brexit. He doesn't seem to understand the position Britain is in now.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by JCattheATM »

Sabinus wrote: post #193
JCattheATM wrote: post #181

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Visas that you are no longer guaranteed, lol. It's literally all downsides, which you (not you personally) agreed to because of ego, thinking you can go back to a time when 'the sun never sets', when in actuality you've hastened much longer nights.

Sgt did personally agree to it because of ego. They cite wanting the UK to be a superpower again as one of the benefits of Brexit. He doesn't seem to understand the position Britain is in now.

I know he did, but my point wasn't referencing just him but the thousands who think like him.

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Post by saubeidl »

roysting wrote: post #168
saubeidl wrote: post #57

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>separate, unique, district, and sovereign countries that can push back against horrible ideas and actions, you end up like us. The separate, unique sovereign countries are the ones with the horrible ideas and actions. See Victor Orban's Hungary. The whole point is to not let some goulash mussolini control European affairs. > The EU is right now talking about becoming a great military force to fight Russia. That’s th…

You really don't see the inherent contradiction and disastrous concept inherent to your mentality? It's inherently authoritarian and supremacist, i.e., you or the ideological cluster you believe you are a member of; knows best and knows infallibly, perfectly so, what exactly needs to be done for any and all people, at all times everywhere equally? ... thus, there is no need for such a thorn in your eye as the elected…

> Have you even ever visited Hungary? Do you speak Hungarian? Do you live there and are culturally invested through generations of ancestors there? Why do you care so much about what Hungarians do in Hungary? What happened to democracy?

Yes. The part of Austria I live in used to be Hungary, it's still tightly linked to it culturally and through blood ties. My grandparents spoke Hungarian at home.

Difference is, it prospered, while Hungary proper is poor, run-down and has an antisemitic dictator. Hungarians are the cheap labor prevalent in Eastern Austria, similar to Mexicans close to the border in the US. They clean our toilets, because their government sucks.

I don't want that fate for my Hungarian brethren. Don't talk as if I didn't know, when it's clear it's you that doesn't.

It is you who is the useful idiot for fascists worldwide, out of some misguided sense of nationalism or whatever. The nation state is the obstacle to be overcome. It is what's keeping people back.

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Post by oliwarner »

HPsquared wrote: post #150
oliwarner wrote: post #135

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Your criteria for "living standards" being pay?

I mean living standards. The size and quality of housing, quality of food, public spaces, infrastructure, healthcare, social conditions and so on that is available and affordable to the average working professional.

It depends if you fight for city jobs, doesn't it.

We live semi-rural, 700sqm house, office and workshop on an acre. Fibre makes working from home easy. Kids' school is 500m up the road. Village is friendly. Healthcare is acceptable, paid through taxation. We don't worry about surprise bills. And 10 minutes away from a 1h train to London.

I could absolutely earn more working in London but I'd be living in a shoebox or missing my kids' childhood while I sit on a train. Nah. We made a good choice.

Are there better cities outside the UK for tech work? Maybe? Do they offer me a better lifestyle than rural Britain? Doubtful.

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Post by crims0n »

archagon wrote: post #165
crims0n wrote: post #103

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I don’t doubt that, it’s just crazy for me to think that less than 100 years ago they were six times the size of the Roman Empire, and the dominant superpower on earth.

Why is ruthlessly dominating other countries some sort of virtue?

What did I say that made you think it is?

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Post by spwa4 »

JCattheATM wrote: post #192
spwa4 wrote: post #189

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> Maybe, but the uneducated masses shouldn't be making these decisions, which is why democracy is the real problem here. Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? ... which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way. Because if that's the cas…

> Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? I think a superior system to the one we have now is one where progressive values are embedded in from the start. Objectively, they are superior positions that can be backed up by data. > which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwis…

If you think so then just vote in your favorite "data-driven" dictator. I'm sure it will all end well.

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Post by drcongo »

Sabinus wrote: post #193
JCattheATM wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Visas that you are no longer guaranteed, lol. It's literally all downsides, which you (not you personally) agreed to because of ego, thinking you can go back to a time when 'the sun never sets', when in actuality you've hastened much longer nights.

Sgt did personally agree to it because of ego. They cite wanting the UK to be a superpower again as one of the benefits of Brexit. He doesn't seem to understand the position Britain is in now.

Britain never was a super power, it was an evil empire hell bent on oppressing "inferior" peoples. It's no wonder Brexit was so popular with racists.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by JCattheATM »

spwa4 wrote: post #198
JCattheATM wrote: post #192

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> Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? I think a superior system to the one we have now is one where progressive values are embedded in from the start. Objectively, they are superior positions that can be backed up by data. > which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwis…

If you think so then just vote in your favorite "data-driven" dictator. I'm sure it will all end well.

There's no one to vote for proposing a system that I would approve of.
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