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EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by fsflover »

xnx wrote: post #190
mentalgear wrote: post #13

The EU is displaying exactly the kind of political leadership we need in this topic: pro-consumer, pro-environment, and firmly against planned obsolescence. Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. We only lost that standard when Apple’s 'walled garden' mindset infected the rest of the industry. The amount of avoidable e-waste generated since then is…

> We only lost that standard when Apple’s 'walled garden' mindset infected the rest of the industry. You're really grasping here. Is it possible that non-removable batteries offer a better tradeoff of capacity, size, weight, durability, water resistance, and safety? > The amount of avoidable e-waste generated since then is unfathomable: Equally possible that removable batteries would generate more waste in the form o…

> Is it possible that non-removable batteries offer a better tradeoff of capacity, size, weight, durability, water resistance, and safety?

I guess the burden of proof is on you here.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by peterfirefly »

joecool1029 wrote: post #181
peterfirefly wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please reread what you are replying to and who wrote what.

> To top it all off you then go onto weird virtue signaling about children breathing recycling fumes, how about you climb off your high horse and maintain your own equipment for a change? Apologies about this part, you are correct that this wasn't your words, the rest of what I wrote I still stand behind. Mostly, it's a problem that you seem to believe that because of incremental improvements in battery technology, w…

> Realistically batteries currently made reach end of service life around 3 years, previously it was around 2. People using devices heavily (gaming/videoconferencing) or living in hot climates will have shorter service life.

I was perfectly happy with the battery life of my iPhone SE and my iPad Mini 4 far longer than just three years. Those batteries were not "currently made", were they? And it was not like I was a light user of those two devices...

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by cromka »

dguest wrote: post #43
oulipo2 wrote: post #39

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The regulation is mostly meant for light electric vehicles for now

Where do you get this from? From what I could see it applied to everything from cars to laptops.

From the press release itself:

"To that end, starting from 2025, the Regulation will gradually introduce declaration requirements, performance classes and maximum limits on the carbon footprint of electric vehicles, light means of transport (such as e-bikes and scooters) and rechargeable industrial batteries."

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

tolerance wrote: post #137
peterfirefly wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I am not wrong but you don't like it?

If I were to tell you that the examples you selected depict you as a bigot how would you react?

I'm more interested in how moderators react to such accounts. There are a couple accounts that do stuff like that, but somehow they are always "just on the line" somehow without crossing it (in the eyes of moderators). Essentially saying "kill all {insert race}" is bannable, but what this person is doing (continuously) is all good.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by dguest »

cromka wrote: post #194
dguest wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you get this from? From what I could see it applied to everything from cars to laptops.

From the press release itself: "To that end, starting from 2025, the Regulation will gradually introduce declaration requirements, performance classes and maximum limits on the carbon footprint of electric vehicles, light means of transport (such as e-bikes and scooters) and rechargeable industrial batteries."

That's another aspect of the regulation but as far as I can tell (from skimming the actual mandate, or the other summaries I found of it) it's doing both. The release itself says

> Starting in 2027, consumers will be able to remove and replace the portable batteries in their electronic products at any time of the life cycle.

Interesting that it's also introducing limits on EV carbon footprints, but that's not to the exclusion of mandating replaceable phone batteries.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by tolerance »

gruez wrote: post #189
tolerance wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we’re discussing wheelchair ramps we are going to default to matters related to people in wheelchairs first because they are who the ramps are for. Whether a person is in a wheelchair and the access that wheelchair ramps are meant to provide them is seldom arbitrary. Is it not? For example, there are comprehensive laws in the US that regulate them. https://www.access-board.gov/ada/guides/chapter-4-ramps-and-... Yo…

>Whether a person is in a wheelchair and the access that wheelchair ramps are meant to provide them is seldom arbitrary. Is it not? For example, there are comprehensive laws in the US that regulate them. > https://www.access-board.gov/ada/guides/chapter-4-ramps-and- ... There's also comprehensive case law on what is first amendment protected speech, but how "comprehensive" the relevant regulations are is irrelevant t…

> We don't ask "how is a wheelchair user determined" or whatever.

Because it’s obvious who’s in a wheelchair and who isn’t.

Why does it appear difficult for you to explain un/popularity with regard to free speech though?

If you want to make the point that popularity could be determined by case law then that sounds fair, I mean it’s an idea I would look into myself at least. But you’ve already deemed that to be irrelevant to your own point. It’s like you shot yourself in the foot. I appreciate the assistance though.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by tolerance »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #195
tolerance wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were to tell you that the examples you selected depict you as a bigot how would you react?

I'm more interested in how moderators react to such accounts. There are a couple accounts that do stuff like that, but somehow they are always "just on the line" somehow without crossing it (in the eyes of moderators). Essentially saying "kill all {insert race}" is bannable, but what this person is doing (continuously) is all good.

I think that the difference may be whether the comment portrays the person as the cat or the mouse, or an ally to either.

For instance: the recent thread on student protests in Iran which last I checked (before the discussion propelled the actual submission off of the front page) was teeming with tacit appeals for foreign intervention, plausibly by the most vocal critics of the most likely interventionists.

Maybe not the best example for you. But I think it’s a matter of context. A comment is censurable on HN according to how it appears in relation to its more dominate and/or more well-received siblings.

It also may help to consider submissions here as belonging to something like a decentralized subreddits; drawing crowds all familiar with an approved narratives to convene around, for or against respectively. The trick may be to strategically posit your offensive remarks where they’re least likely to be received as such.

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