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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by Stevvo »

stavros wrote: post #21
mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

Why would I fly an expensive drone close to a camera, fumble about for a minute trying to get it painted like a renaissance artist, when I can get a paintball gun for much less?

Why get an expensive paintball gun when you can get a mask and a can of paint and a mask for much less?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by terminalshort »

etrautmann wrote: post #101
terminalshort wrote: post #89

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This will never be a thing in America. Good luck putting the camera on a pole higher than a redneck can shoot a rifle.

We already have speed cameras Al over NYC. Often the posted speeds there are 25 leading to some absurd tickets.

That's what you get for not having rednecks with rifles

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by stavros »

Stevvo wrote: post #191
stavros wrote: post #21

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Why would I fly an expensive drone close to a camera, fumble about for a minute trying to get it painted like a renaissance artist, when I can get a paintball gun for much less?

Why get an expensive paintball gun when you can get a mask and a can of paint and a mask for much less?

You also need a high ladder.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by pandaman »

alexpotato wrote: post #183
bigiain wrote: post #45

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Where I am (Sydney Australia) we have fixed speed cameras that automatically create speeding fines to drivers going too fast (well, technically the registered owner of the vehicle via ANPR). They eventually had to equip pretty much every speed camera with a speed camera camera, usually on a much higher pole to make vandalism more difficult.

Reminds me of the story about Aeroflot (Soviet National airline) and hijackings - Aeroflot flights get hijacked and flown to West Berlin - Soviets decided to put Spetsnaz (Soviet special forces) on the planes much like we have Air Marshals today - Spetsnaz figures "we have guns and are on the plane already" so they start hijacking flights - So Soviets put TWO Spetsnaz teams on the flight - Team 1 decides to hijack fl…

Which Aeroflot flights were hijacked and flown to West Berlin? I've never heard of this. Funny though that Windows Copilot believes this happened and says that:

"On December 12, 1978, two Soviet citizens hijacked an Aeroflot Yak‑40 on a domestic route and forced it to fly to West Berlin’s Tempelhof Airport, which was under U.S. control."

But then, when asked about any reference to this event, gives this:

"1. LOT Polish Airlines Flight 165 (30 August 1978) A LOT Tupolev Tu‑134 was hijacked by East German citizens seeking asylum and forced to land at Tempelhof Airport in West Berlin."

Are you an AI?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by bagels »

roysting wrote: post #174
culi wrote: post #118

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It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US

Who do you think those people are that are incarcerated in the USA? I come across this rather frequently among people from sheltered backgrounds like those who graduated from mom and dad taking care of them, all the way through to Mega Corp/university taking care of them, and absolutely cannot fathom why everyone doesn’t just eat cake. I have a working theory that this effect, whatever one wants to call it, of people…

The real problem is people who don't want to be victims of crime, not the people doing the crime?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by ifwinterco »

jimnotgym wrote: post #178
ifwinterco wrote: post #162

Is funny reading this from the UK because this ship sailed here years ago, you just have to assume if you drive a car anywhere except small roads in the countryside you are potentially being tracked by ANPR. Of course, actual serious criminals who are actively committing serious crimes just use fake plates so they aren't affected, it only really helps catch people who commit crimes on the spur of the moment (while al…

> except small roads in the countryside you are potentially being tracked by ANPR. They do put them specifically whereever those roads join major roads though. Meanwhile the crime stats in the UK make chilling reading, as the focus on replacing Police officers with cameras, replacing courts with... nothing has lead to many crimes skyrocketing, especially those that are not associated with driving a car. https://www.o…

Yep, I mean "proper" countryside - I grew up out in the villages (all little B roads and unclassified roads) and it's still like the Wild West out there really.

A lot of people still habitually drink drive (not getting completely smashed, but a few pints at a country pub then drive home) and realistically as long as you don't crash you could do that for decades and probably get away with it.

There's almost no cameras and also almost no actual police

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by nkrisc »

jimnotgym wrote: post #182
nkrisc wrote: post #180

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Almost certainly. Random people are not the legal arbiters of what’s unconstitutional. I can’t say I disagree with what they’re doing, but it’s absolutely vigilante justice, not legal.

It seems odd though. Don't you have the right to bear arms, with some idea that it is needed to prevent the government from exercising excessive powers over you, yet actually doing anything with those guns to protect yourself from tyranny is a crime? I remember hearing once that the constitution, having been written by a bunch of insurrectionists, intended people to have the power to keep the government out of their…

> Don't you have the right to bear arms, with some idea that it is needed to prevent the government from exercising excessive powers over you, yet actually doing anything with those guns to protect yourself from tyranny is a crime?

Because when it comes to that, the government is a failed state and no one will be worried about what’s legal.

It’s not meant to be a means of legal recourse, it’s a last resort.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by nullocator »

monero-xmr wrote: post #184
co_king_5 wrote: post #134

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Why would you want someone who commits a violent crime to avoid prison?

Most offenders in the U.S. prison system that U.S. citizens tax dollars are paying for are not violent offenders, at least not until they've been in and out of the prison system at least once, then their chances of committing additional crimes sky rocket.

So to answer your sneakily worded question (throwing in the word violent like some kind of gotcha for the first time): I personally don't want more people in prison because I think it is wasteful both in terms of capital and in terms of human experience, there are proven better alternatives like rehabilitation that work for most people and have significantly better outcomes, and finally because the united states prison system is effectively captured by corporate interests which is antithetical to a society that should be against cruel punishments.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by sidrag22 »

RickJWagner wrote: post #189
sidrag22 wrote: post #20

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or you know... the rise of itunes/ipod at that exact time. present the public with an option that is not in a grey area and is not a massive inconvenience, and a large amount of them will happily go the legal route. Its leaning that direction again, video streaming services are becoming a massive inconvenience, much like needing to buy a CD if you wanted 2 total songs off it. Doubt it will be as iconic of a moment in…

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I am unsure how you think this makes your point? thats from 2010. the end of that era. Perhaps you think this was the nail in the coffin? but itunes/ipods had been around for nearly 10 years at that point and a ton of the approachable programs such limewire napster etc, were becoming tougher to use, and it was a transition to torrents instead. in 2010 there was even spotify in the mix.

Regardless of all of that, stating that one person's lawsuit is why music piracy ended for EVERYONE is a massive massive stretch of the truth. piracy literally never ended, it just became less approachable, and the mainstream offerings became more what the public desired(CD sections are pretty dead in modern day).

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by al_borland »

co_king_5 wrote: post #134
culi wrote: post #118

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It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US

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If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals.

If someone knows they can rob people and get away with it, why would they do honest work for a living?

What is your solution to prevent crime without incarceration as a possible outcome for people breaking the law… especially those who do it repeatedly? It’s easy to talk down to solutions being used today, but without offering up a realistic alternative, this provides no value.

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