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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by rvz »

bmay wrote: post #139
throw444420394 wrote: post #123

What to understand of this whole story: This is a vibe coded agent that is replicable in little time. There is no value in the technology itself. There is value in the idea of personal agents, but this idea is not new. The value is in the hype, from the perspective of OpenAI. I believe they are wrong (see next points) We will see a proliferation of personal agents. For a short time, the money will be in the API usage…

> Those hypes are forgotten as fast as they are created. Remember Cursor? of course--i use it every day. are you implying Cursor is dead? they raised $2B in funding 3 months ago and are at $1B in ARR...

> Remember Cursor?

Who?

> are you implying Cursor is dead? they raised $2B in funding 3 months ago and are at $1B in ARR

That is the problem. It doesn't matter about how much they raised. That $2B and that $1B is paying the supplier Anthropic and OpenAI who are both directly competing against them.

Cursor is operating on thin margins and still continues to losing money. It's now worse that people are leaving Cursor for Claude Code.

In short, Cursor is in trouble and they are funding their own funeral.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by gordonhart »

jjmarr wrote: post #158

It's pretty depressing yet motivating seeing SWE bifurcate. This is an app that would've normally had a dozen or so people behind it, all acquihired by OpenAI to find the people who really drove the project. With AI, it's one person who builds and takes everything.

Every day the software world feels more and more like a casino.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by lvl155 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #90

I have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him. There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them. I am for local compute, priv…

Sorry to break it to you but I would not trust any financial companies with my personal data. Simply because I’ve seen how they use data to build exploitive products in the past.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Rebelgecko »

Rumple22Stilk wrote: post #95
AJRF wrote: post #29

The amount of negative posts about this on twitter is crazy, I've not seen any positive posts. Jealousy or something else?

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Imo Openclaw type AI has the most potential to benefit humans (automating drudgery while I own my data as opposed to creating gross simalcrums of human creativity). I suppose it's bad for human personal assistants, but I wouldn't pay for one of those regardless.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by hadlock »

johnwheeler wrote: post #162
illichosky wrote: post #107

The guy already sold his previous company for a shitload of money. Got bored and did a side project that stirred the Internet on the past month. That is way more than most people here are going to accomplish in a lifetime. Yet, he has some deal with OpenAI to work on whatever he things exciting. I don't see why so much negative comments here other than jelously

I just dislike Sam Altman, and I think he's just using this as a marketing ploy, which is more dishonesty from him. People keep saying OpenClaw is hype. I installed it, but I never tried to run it, and I don't know what the compelling reason is to. Supposedly you can talk to your agent from your iMessage? Who cares? Why not just talk to Claude Code?

The big draw of open claw is the memory architecture. Because you effectively start from scratch every time you open a new claude chat. Open Claw on the other hand, it compacts regularly, but also generates daily digests, and uses vector search, and then uses thoughtful memory retrieval techniques to add relevant context to your queries. Recent things get weighted more heavily, but full text search of all chats is still possible, and this is all managed automatically. Plus it uses markdown so the barrier to entry for manually auditing/modifying memories etc is very very low. If you say "can you check if my solar panel for my power generator arrive yet?" it is going to probably know what I'm talking about and go check my email for delivery notifications, based on conversations I've had with it about buying, ordering the solar panel etc. Claude is just going to ask clarifying questions since it has no idea what I am referencing.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by esafak »

mikert89 wrote: post #51

Is an agent running on a desktop, with access to excel, word, email and slack going to replace Saas? Add in databases, browser use, and the answer could be yes This could be the most disruptive software we have seen

If it replaces SaaS it will replace you too; how else will you collaborate?

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by lvl155 »

deadeye wrote: post #134

Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.

Is it? You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. People were using CC outside of development scope for awhile.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

lvl155 wrote: post #198
deadeye wrote: post #134

Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.

Is it? You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. People were using CC outside of development scope for awhile.

> You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container.

OpenClaw and Claude Code aren't solving the same problems. OpenClaw was about having a sandbox, connecting it to a messenger channel, and letting it run wild with tools you gave it.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by eutropia »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #177
mark_l_watson wrote: post #90

I have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him. There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them. I am for local compute, priv…

>Apple Lol Their marketing team got ya. I aspire to be as good as Apple at marketing. Who knew 2nd or worse place in everything doesnt matter when you are #1 in marketing?

is this marketing or is just relating what they did to keep things secure?

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

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