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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by status_quo69 »

wvh wrote: post #36
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

Apart from Minio, we tried Garage and Ceph. I think there's definitely a need for something that interfaces using S3 API but is just a simple file system underneath, for local, testing and small scale deployments. Not sure that exists? Of course a lot of stuff is being bolted onto S3 and it's not as simple as it initially claimed to be.

I've been looking into rclone which can serve s3 in a basic way https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_serve_s3/

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by ufocia »

Someone wrote: post #138
jbstack wrote: post #27

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There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

> What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. But FOSS means “this particular set of source files is free to use and modify”. It doesn’t include “and we will forever keep developing and maintaining it forever for free”. It’s only different if peo…

> what do you prefer, the developers abandoning the project, or at least having the option of a paid-for version?

It's not a binary choice. I prefer the developers releasing the software under a permissive license. I agree that relying on freemium maintenance is naive. The community source lives on, perhaps the community should fork and run with it for the common good absorbing the real costs of maintenance.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by hirako2000 »

rofrol wrote: post #145
hirako2000 wrote: post #111

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When your product entered mainstream with integration that would yield millions when virtually obliged to get a license is typically what happens. When backed by a company there is an ethical obligation to keep, at least maintenance. Of course legally they can do what they wish. It isn't unfair to call it bad practice.

There is no ethical obligation. You just want them to release new work under open source licence.

They already had. And for what purpose you think?

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by ufocia »

direwolf20 wrote: post #113
devsda wrote: post #109

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Everyone is quick to assert rights granted by the license terms and fast to say the authors should have chosen a better license from the start in case the license doesnt fit the current situation. License terms don't end there. There is a no warranty clause too in almost every open source license and it is as important as the other parts of the license. There is no promise or guarantees for updates or future versions…

They're not saying they violated the license, they're saying they're assholes. It may not be illegal to say you'll do something for free and then not do it, but it's assholish, especially if you said it to gain customers.

Customers are the ones that continue to pay. If they continue to pay they will likely receive maintenance from the devs. If they don't, they are no longer or never have been customers.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by hirako2000 »

skeledrew wrote: post #152
hirako2000 wrote: post #111

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When your product entered mainstream with integration that would yield millions when virtually obliged to get a license is typically what happens. When backed by a company there is an ethical obligation to keep, at least maintenance. Of course legally they can do what they wish. It isn't unfair to call it bad practice.

There's no way that maintaining something is an ethical obligation, regardless of popularity. There is only legal obligation, for commercial products.

If offering a tie in thing supposedly free of charge without warning that would end once it serves a party less profit purpose then yes.

Ethics are not obligations, they are moral principles. Not having principles doesn't send you to prison that is why it isn't law. It makes you lose moral credit though.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by imtringued »

account42 wrote: post #124
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #73

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Where is this mythical social contract found? I stand by my point: it's a software license, not a marriage. Free users certainly would like it to be a social contract like I would like to be gifted a million dollars. Sadly, I still have to work and can't infinitely rely on the generosity of others.

Where is the contract to return the shopping cart to the corral?

In this context the social contract would be an expectation that specifically software developers must return the shopping cart for you, but you would never expect the same from cashiers, construction workers, etc.

If the software developer doesn't return your cart, he betrayed the social contract.

This sounds very manipulative and narcissistic.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by XCSme »

muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

Thanks, you finally settled my dilemma of whether I should have a free version of UXWizz...

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by imtringued »

skeledrew wrote: post #159
dangus wrote: post #137

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This isn’t about people working for free. Nobody sensible is upset when a true FOSS “working for free” person hangs up their boots and calls it quits. The issue here is that these are commercial products that abuse the FOSS ideals to run a bait and switch. They look like they are open source in their growth phase then they rug pull when people start to depend on their underlying technology. The company still exists a…

In this particular case, it's the fault of the "abused" for even seeing themselves as such in the first place. Many times it's not even a "bait-and-switch", but reality hitting. But even if it was, just deal with it and move on.

This is definitely the case because the accusations and supposed social contract seem extremely one-sided towards free riding.

Nobody here is saying they should donate the last version of MinIO to the Apache software foundation under the Apache license. Nobody is arguing for a formalized "end of life" exit strategy for company oriented open source software or implying that such a strategy was promised and then betrayed.

The demand is always "keep doing work for me for free".

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by mananaysiempre »

jamiemallers wrote: post #14

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> Elastic, Redis, Terraform, now MinIO.

Redis is the odd one out here[1]: Garantia Data, later known as Redis Labs, now known as Redis, did not create Redis, nor did it maintain Redis for most of its rise to popularity (2009–2015) nor did it employ Redis’s creator and then-maintainer 'antirez at that time. (He objected; they hired him; some years later he left; then he returned. He is apparently OK with how things ended up.) What the company did do is develop OSS Redis addons, then pull the rug on them while saying that Redis proper would “always remain BSD”[2], then prove that that was a lie too[3]. As well as do various other shady (if legal) stuff with the trademarks[4] and credits[5] too.

[1] https://www.gomomento.com/blog/rip-redis-how-garantia-data-p...

[2] https://redis.io/blog/redis-license-bsd-will-remain-bsd/

[3] https://lwn.net/Articles/966133/

[4] https://github.com/redis-rs/redis-rs/issues/1419

[5] https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey/issues/544

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by ranger_danger »

jodrellblank wrote: post #174
sshine wrote: post #148

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Wasabi looks like a service. Any recommendation for an in-cluster alternative in production? Is that SeaweedFS?

I’ve never heard of SeaweedFS, but Ceph cluster storage system has an S3-compatible layer (Object Gateway). It’s used by CERN to make Petabyte-scale storage capable of ingesting data from particle collider experiments and they're now up to 17 clusters and 74PB which speaks to its production stability. Apparently people use it down to 3-host Proxmox virtualisation clusters, in a similar place as VMware VSAN. Ceph has…

Ceph is a non-starter for me because you cannot have an existing filesystem on the disk. Previously I used GlusterFS on top of ZFS and made heavy use of gluster's async geo-replication feature to keep two storage arrays in sync that were far away over a slow link. This was done after getting fed up with rsync being so slow and always thrashing the disks having to scan many TBs every day.

While there is a geo-replication feature for Ceph, I cannot keep using ZFS at the same time, and gluster is no longer developed, so I'm currently looking for an alternative that would work for my use case if anyone knows of a solution.

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