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Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by LoganDark »

arjie wrote: post #188
LoganDark wrote: post #185

Can anyone else not see the photo of Waymo Driver's camera? I'm so interested but it doesn't seem to be showing up for me on iOS... The image caption reads: Compared to a traditional automotive camera (right), the 6th-generation Waymo Driver camera (left) delivers significantly higher resolution at cost parity, allowing the system to make better-informed driving decisions. but the image itself for me is blank.

It's a video, mate. Look here: https://videos.ctfassets.net/7ijaobx36mtm/5ZEkKDR8uqlAfiQW7f...

Thank you so much!

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by Rohansi »

jeffbee wrote: post #176
Rohansi wrote: post #106

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For which car? The older the car (hardware) version the worse it is. I've never had any front camera blinding issues with a 2022 car (HW3). The thing to remember about cameras is what you see in an image/display is not what the camera sees. Processing the image reduces the dynamic range but FSD could work off of the raw sensor data.

Nobody cares that you think v14.7.22b runs well on HW3.1. Literally nobody.

It doesn't run well on HW3 at all. HW4 has significantly better FSD when running comparable versions (v14). The software has little to do with the front camera getting blinded though.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by AlotOfReading »

digitalPhonix wrote: post #190
gcanyon wrote: post #126

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> And they didn't have sugar daddy (Google) willing to burn several billions a year for many years. Tesla's market cap is $1.3 trillion. Granted the company itself doesn't have access to all of that, but surely if they wanted to spend, say, $10 billion per year on something big like FSD, they could have. > didn't have the luxury of adding $50k to the cost of the car for the hardware A little more extreme, but: Tesla…

$50k? The sensor kit on the Waymo’s ipace is north of $300k. (Which completely inverts that calculation)

You're years out of date on that number. I doubt it's been true this decade. Reasonable current estimates are under a few tens of thousand at most.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

coffeemug wrote: post #179
bonsai_spool wrote: post #164

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In the Midwest, golf carts are exactly what people use to get around in small towns. It's not unreasonable that neighborhoods might be closed to large vehicles and use other forms of transit within their boundaries.

That's fascinating, I didn't know that! What are some example cities/towns where this is common?

Grew up in the midwest and still visit... never seen it. Doesn't even pass the sniff test vs the weather.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by socalgal2 »

When are they going to trivally stop breaking traffic laws?

Unlike human driven cars, 100% of Waymos are fully filmed. The proof is on every drive. And there is one entity responsible for all of them, Waymo.

I've enjoyed my trips so far, but want them to stop breaking the law.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by digitalPhonix »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #193
digitalPhonix wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$50k? The sensor kit on the Waymo’s ipace is north of $300k. (Which completely inverts that calculation)

You're years out of date on that number. I doubt it's been true this decade. Reasonable current estimates are under a few tens of thousand at most.

No, I know how much each honeycomb costs (BOM cost, that is); pretty confident on the radars; and I can guess at the cameras and compute.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by disillusioned »

coffeemug wrote: post #179
bonsai_spool wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Midwest, golf carts are exactly what people use to get around in small towns. It's not unreasonable that neighborhoods might be closed to large vehicles and use other forms of transit within their boundaries.

That's fascinating, I didn't know that! What are some example cities/towns where this is common?

Coronado Island, near San Diego, California, for one.

Sun City, Arizona, though these are golf communities/mega-master-planned communities. Coronado is a better example of a mixed vehicle environment with golf carts bopping around all the time on the same streets.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by AlotOfReading »

digitalPhonix wrote: post #196
AlotOfReading wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're years out of date on that number. I doubt it's been true this decade. Reasonable current estimates are under a few tens of thousand at most.

No, I know how much each honeycomb costs (BOM cost, that is); pretty confident on the radars; and I can guess at the cameras and compute.

Then they're way behind others in the industry, and I'm not sure I believe that given the people I know there.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by rhubarbtree »

qwerpy wrote: post #114
nutjob2 wrote: post #63

"leaving nothing to the imagination of a single lens." Nice dig at Tesla.

I hope this prods Tesla to up their game. I love my Teslas but if Waymo’s approach is shown to be truly better then I’d happily switch to a car that used their tech. For now I have no choice but to stick with the self-driving that’s available for personal cars. Hopefully Waymo works on licensing their tech for other manufacturers and expanding their geographical coverage.

Tesla’s approach is smarter than Waymo. Maybe Tesla won’t win, perhaps a Chinese firm, but the winner will follow a vision based system and not a micro-mapping LIDAR system.

“Vision is all you need.”

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Post by torginus »

_diyar wrote: post #29
torginus wrote: post #24

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Personally as much as people like to dunk on Musk, he did build several successful companies in extremely challenging domains, and he probably listens to the world-leading domain experts in his employ. So while he might turn out to be wrong, I don't think his opininon is uninformed.

I fully agree with your first point: Musk has shown tremendous ability to manage companies to become unicorns. He's clearly skilled in this domain. However, if you think about this for 2 seconds with even a rudimentary understanding of sensor fusion, more hardware is always better (ofc with diminishing marginal value). But ~10y ago, when Tesla was in a financial pinch, Musk decided to scrap as much hardware as possib…

I'm an EE, I have worked with things like sensor fusion professionally. In short sensor fusion depends on what sensors you have and how you combine them, especially if two sensors' outputs tend to disagree - which one is wrong and to what extent, and how a piece of noise gets reflected in each sensors' outputs, to avoid double counting errors and coming up with unjustifyably confident results.

This field is extremely complex, it's often better to pick a sensor and stick with it rather than trying to figure out how to piece together data from very dissimilar sources.

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