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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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jader201 wrote: post #174
socialcommenter wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you replied to, but I'm not sure how you arrived here. Brakes, coolant, washer fluid, diff oil, gearbox oil, cabin air filter, wiper blades. Did you know EV motors can also require oil changes (at hundreds of thousands of miles, in fairness)? Nice Michelins for my ICE have been something resembling 1/3 of service costs. Not 2/3 but not negligible either.

> Brakes Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time). > coolant Yes, I did forget about that one. But frequency is about 50% less often than ICE vehicles. Maybe once every 5-10 years. > washer fluid, cabin air filter, wiper blades Agreed on these as well, but I bucketed these in the trivial category, totaling less than a tank o…

> Did you know EV motors can also require oil changes

Please enjoy an excellent podcast I quite like: https://youtu.be/YvE164Ubgss?t=900 (wait for 15:45)

Again, probably only relevant for extremely long term ownership, but someone will need to own and maintain all the high mileage decade-old EVs a decade from now.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by stefan_ »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #155
freetime2 wrote: post #60

Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

Marques Brownlee is a kid who did shitty reviews of cell phones and is now a tech influencer, not an objective auto industry reviewer. He knows jack shit about the auto industry. Whatever comes out of his mouth is designed to make his clients - the companies who pay him to pimp their products - look as good as possible. Rivians are wildly heavy and inefficient compared to the rest of the industry. The R1T weighs more…

Its fitting he would think the reference in EVs is the Model Y of all things, the technologically outdated, slow charging car whose sales are falling off a cliff while the manufacturer is trying to upsell you a monthly subscription for lane keeping.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by jader201 »

Marsymars wrote: post #179
jader201 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brakes Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time). > coolant Yes, I did forget about that one. But frequency is about 50% less often than ICE vehicles. Maybe once every 5-10 years. > washer fluid, cabin air filter, wiper blades Agreed on these as well, but I bucketed these in the trivial category, totaling less than a tank o…

> Maybe at 1/10 the schedule of ICE vehicles, at least for me. I use regenerative braking almost exclusively (probably 95+% of the time). In practice, my brakes always corrode from road salt and fuel-efficient driving habits and need replacing long before I actually wear them down, so regen brakes are largely irrelevant to brake life. > Which means I only need to take it in for a no-questions-asked tire rotation 1-2…

There are many things that break or need maintenance on my ICE vehicles that I don’t want to mess with myself: oil changes, transmissions, alternators, belts, engine issue (oil leaks). Engine air filters are about the only ICE-specific piece I don’t mind doing myself.

Re: brakes, where I live, I don’t think salt will play much a factor, and not sure what you mean by “fuel efficient driving” wearing your brakes, but I’m using regenerative braking 95+% of the time.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by theMMaI »

sgt wrote: post #190
taurath wrote: post #180

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Right you are Ken, but the format pretty much is his schtick. It’s not that entertaining at all anymore, but it’s also decent to know that a review will probably exist for most cars I’m ever considering. For me his value remains mainly that he’s tall which I am too, so when he’s in a car I can guess what it’ll be like for me.

I wanted to do something like that for motorcycles. Show how I fit on various bikes. I am 6'6" Knowing what to say is another matter though.

https://cycle-ergo.com/ here you go buddy, I'm on the taller side too and found this when choosing my last bike

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by stefan_ »

hnburnsy wrote: post #78
freetime2 wrote: post #60

Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

None of these car reviewers ever take into account build quality and customer issues. Example they all lashihly praised the EX90, but owners struggled for a year with software problems, then found out the LIDAR they paid for is never going to assist their driving and they need a new computer. Same with Rivian, all of today's reviews praise the R2, but ignore the troubles current owners have not just with the car but…

I watched one of those Out Of Spec videos on an earlier Rivian and it was full of praise and raving. Then there was a later video where they almost on the side mentioned when it came out of the factory it felt legitimately unsafe to drive on the highway and had already spent days at service including a total powertrain shutdown, essentially a lemon. These things happened already in the time before their first video yet were never mentioned. That entire YouTube review industry is more rotten and bought than the same show on Cable TV ever was..

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by freetime2 »

Marsymars wrote: post #129
jader201 wrote: post #127

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> Mine gets a 40-45 mile all electric range. That sounds like the real issue, vs. EVs. This sounds like you basically have to plug it in every time you park it. And there’s no way you could do any sort of (even small) road trip without using gas. (For comparison, our EV6 has about 200-250 mile range, and we charge it about once a week or so, give or take, unless we take a road trip.) Also, one of the main advantages…

> Also, one of the main advantages with EVs is their insane low maintenance, but sounds like PHEVs still have to all the same maintenance issues of ICE vehicles. I keep seeing this repeated, but I kept a detailed decade-plus spreadsheet of maintenace costs for my last ICE car, and ~2/3 of the costs were for components that are common to EVs.

And by far the biggest cost of car ownership (for new cars at least) is depreciation. And EVs depreciate rapidly - enough to offset the costs of oil changes I imagine. And I actually like bringing my car into the dealer twice a year for service. I get to wander around and check out what's new, eat some free snacks, shoot the breeze with my dealer about what's happening in the industry, and then spend the rest of the time on my laptop. Maybe this is sad to admit, but I actually kind of look forward to it.

That being said, if you're in the market for a used EV right now, that depreciation actually works in your favor. I was looking at prices on used luxury EVs recently, and have to admit I was pretty tempted by some 2-3 year old cars selling at less than half MSRP.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by sksksk »

bobby322 wrote: post #175
jwr wrote: post #161

As a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"? Why would one want to haul so many tons of extra metal around just to transport one's behind?

As a European (dutch), why are our roads so small, that normal sized cars look like "monsters". I have often thought, that Europe will have a problem in the future with roads, as they are just too small, and expanding and making them more safe, is unlikely to ever happen and often times impossible. Not everyone can get by with a small little hatchback, some of us need a big pickup (I own a building company). And for…

What I've observed, is that 90% of journeys people make can be done without a car.

Designing a city that helps people make those journeys car free, makes it better for the 10% of journeys that do need to be made with a car.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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bdamm wrote: post #125
pstuart wrote: post #65

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> It's an EV most of the time Nowhere on the Toyota site did I see anything about range on battery only. Still, I wouldn't mind having one. I settled for a refurbed Leaf and have only needed an ICE vehicle twice, because of cargo capacity, not range.

A friend of mine bought one. It ended up being kind of awful. 53mi of range for a 40kwH battery? That's abysmal. Where's all the power going? He traded it in for a used 2023 Model Y. Does 9-hr road trips all the time. I don't think he's going back.

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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by stonogo »

gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

https://www.worldpac.com/

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by freetime2 »

hbarka wrote: post #160
freetime2 wrote: post #60

Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

I watched MKBHD’s review versus Doug DeMuro’s and only one of them took the time to point out the tailgate window and wipers. One reviews cars the other reviews gadgets.

I watched both Marques' review and Doug's, and yeah Doug's was better. I linked the MKBHD review because mainly I wanted to make the Model Y comparison, and Marques called it a "Model Y fighter" in the video title.

And also, Doug feels a little out of touch to me these days. Less about "quirks and features" that appeal to me (although he still covers that), and more about "enthusiast cars" (like his million dollar Porsche and Lambo) that don't really interest me. Although to be fair MKBHD isn't much better in that regard.

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