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FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Android phones are multi-user, so if they can do it then Apple should be able to.

And how do you explain your 1TB phone that has 2GB of data, but only 700GB free?

The same way when you buy a brand new phone with 200GB of storage that only has 50GB free on it haha

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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It seems unfortunate that enhanced protection against physically attached devices requires enabling a mode that is much broader, and sounds like it has a noticeable impact on device functionality. I never attach my iPhone to anything that's not a power source. I would totally enable an "enhanced protection for external accessories" mode. But I'm not going to enable a general "Lockdown mode" that Apple tells me means…

GrapheneOS does this by default - only power delivery when locked. Also it's a hardware block, not software. Seems to be completely immune to these USB exploit tools.

It also has various options to adjust the behaviour, from no blocks at all, to not even being able to charge the phone (or use the phone to charge something else) -- even when unlocked. Changing the mode of operation requires the device PIN, just as changing the device PIN does.

Note that it behaves subtly differently to how you described in case it was connected to something before being locked. In that case data access will remain -- even though the phone is now locked -- until the device is disconnected.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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With the US descending more and more into fascism (as this case highlights yet again), I wonder what will happen to these features in the future. Especially now that the tech moguls of silicon valley stopped standing up to Trump and instead started kissing his ass. Tim Cook in particular seems to be the kind of person that rather is on the rich side of history than the right side. What if the administration realizes…

How is it turning into fascism?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/america-fascism-tr...

This article goes through point by point.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm saying what does that have to do with a valid search warrant being executed?

There's a fair bit of dispute about whether this is valid. The active criminalization of journalism is worrisome.

It's signed by a judge, it's valid. What is in dispute, exactly?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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How does "go to prison for not showing" work when a lot of constitutions have a clause for a suspect not needing to participate in their own conviction / right to remain silent? A detective can have a warrant to search someone's home or car, but that doesn't mean the owner needs to give them the key as far as I know.

It does mean that. You can't be forced to divulge information in your head, as that would be testimonial. But if there are papers, records, or other evidentiary materials that are e.g. locked in a safe you can be compelled to open it with a warrant, and refusal would be contempt.

I know it seems like an incredibly dubious claim but the "I forgot" defense actually works here.

It's not really that useful for a safe since they aren't _that_ difficult to open and, if you haven't committed a crime, it's probably better to open your safe for them than have them destroy it so you need a new one. For a mathematically impossible to break cipher though, very useful.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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How does "go to prison for not showing" work when a lot of constitutions have a clause for a suspect not needing to participate in their own conviction / right to remain silent? A detective can have a warrant to search someone's home or car, but that doesn't mean the owner needs to give them the key as far as I know.

It does mean that. You can't be forced to divulge information in your head, as that would be testimonial. But if there are papers, records, or other evidentiary materials that are e.g. locked in a safe you can be compelled to open it with a warrant, and refusal would be contempt.

They need to prove that those materials exist on the device first. You can't be held in contempt for a fishing expedition.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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She has to have set it up before. There is no way to divine a fingerprint any other way. I guess the only other way would be a faulty fingerprint sensor but that should default to a non-entry.

Could be a parallel construction type thing. They already have access but they need to document a legal action by which they could have acquired it so it doesn't get thrown out of court. I think this is pretty unlikely here but it's within the realm of possibility.

Seems like it would be hard to fake. The was she tells it she put her finger on the pad and the OS unlocked the account. Sounds very difficult to do

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Absolutely every aspect of it? What’s so hard about adding a feature that effectively makes a single-user device multi-user? Which needs the ability to have plausible deniability for the existence of those other users? Which means that significant amounts of otherwise usable space needs to be inaccessibly set aside for those others users on every device—to retain plausible deniability—despite an insignificant fractio…

Maybe one PIN could cause the device to crash. Devices crash all the time. Maybe the storage is corrupted. It might have even been damaged when it was taken.

This could even be a developer feature accidentally left enabled.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Absolutely every aspect of it? What’s so hard about adding a feature that effectively makes a single-user device multi-user? Which needs the ability to have plausible deniability for the existence of those other users? Which means that significant amounts of otherwise usable space needs to be inaccessibly set aside for those others users on every device—to retain plausible deniability—despite an insignificant fractio…

Android has work profiles, so that could be done in Android. iPhone still does not.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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How does "go to prison for not showing" work when a lot of constitutions have a clause for a suspect not needing to participate in their own conviction / right to remain silent? A detective can have a warrant to search someone's home or car, but that doesn't mean the owner needs to give them the key as far as I know.

It does mean that. You can't be forced to divulge information in your head, as that would be testimonial. But if there are papers, records, or other evidentiary materials that are e.g. locked in a safe you can be compelled to open it with a warrant, and refusal would be contempt.

FaceID and TouchID aren’t protected by that as I understand it.
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