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Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by eadwu »

vercaemert wrote: post #184
skapadia wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Opus 4.5 by far is the most capable development model. I've been using it mainly via Claude Code, and with Cursor. I agree anticompetitive behavior is bad, but the productivity gains to be had by using Anthropic models and tools are undeniable. Eventually the open tools and models will catch up, so I'm all for using them locally as well, especially if sensitive data or IP is involved.

I'd encourage you to try the -codex family with the highest reasoning. I can't comment on Opus in CC because I've never bit the bullet and paid the subscription, but I have worked my way up to the $200/month Cursor subscription and the 5.2 codex models blow Opus out of the water in my experience (obviously very subjective). I arrived at making plans with Opus and then implementing with the OpenAI model. The speed of…

I've tried nearly all the models, they all work best if and only if you will never handle the code ever again. They suck if you have a solution and want them to implement that solution.

I've tried explaining the implementation word and word and it still prefers to create a whole new implementation reimplementing some parts instead of just doing what I tell it to. The only time it works is if I actually give it the code but at that point there's no reason to use it.

There's nothing wrong with this approach if it actually had guarantees, but current models are an extremely bad fit for it.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by zokier »

For someone who is very out of the loop with these AI models, can someone explain what I can actually run on my 3080ti (12G)? Is this something like that or is this still too big; is there anything remotely useful runnable with my GPU? I have 64G RAM if that helps (?).

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by elzbardico »

Propelloni wrote: post #123
bri3d wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have two products: * Subscription plans, which are (probably) subsidized and definitely oversubscribed (ie, 100% of subscribers could not use 100% of their tokens 100% of the time). * Wholesale tokens, which are (probably) profitable. If you try to use one product as the other product, it breaks their assumptions and business model. I don't really see how this is weaponized malaise; capacity planning and some fo…

So, if I rent out my bike to you for an hour a day for really cheap money and I do so a 50 more times to 50 others, so that my bike is oversubscribed and you and others don't get your hours, that's OK because it is just capacity planning on my side and widely accepted? Good to know.

As others pointed out, every business that sells capacity does this, including your ISP provider.

They could, of course, price your 10GB plan under the assumption that you would max out your connection 24 hours a day.

I fail to see how this would be advantageous to the vast majority of the customers.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by tomashubelbauer »

Tossrock wrote: post #187
tomashubelbauer wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's non-local. I am not interested in coding assistants that work on cloud based work-spaces. That's what motivated me to developed this feature for myself.

But... Claude Code is already cloud-based. It relies on the Anthropic API. Your data is all already being ingested by them. Seems like a weird boundary to draw, trusting the company's model with your data but not their convenience web ui. Being local-only (ie OpenCode & open weights model running on your own hw) is consistent, at least.

It is not a moral stance. I just prefer to have my files of my personal projects in one place. Sure I sync them to GitHub for backup, but I don't use GitHub for anything else in my personal projects. I am not going to use a workflow which relies on checking out my code to some VM where I have to set everything up in a way where it has access to all the tools and dependencies that are already there on my machine. It's slower, clunkier. IMO you can't beat the convenience of working on your local files. When I used my CC mirror for the brief period where it worked, when I came back to my laptop, all my changes were just already there, no commits, no pulls, no sync, nothing.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by Tepix »

Using lmstudio-community/Qwen3-Coder-Next-GGUF:Q8_0 I'm getting up to 32 tokens/s on Strix Halo, with room for 128k of context (out of 256k that the model can manage).

From very limited testing, it seems to be slightly worse than MiniMax M2.1 Q6 (a model about twice its size). I'm impressed.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by dimgl »

Tepix wrote: post #195

Using lmstudio-community/Qwen3-Coder-Next-GGUF:Q8_0 I'm getting up to 32 tokens/s on Strix Halo, with room for 128k of context (out of 256k that the model can manage). From very limited testing, it seems to be slightly worse than MiniMax M2.1 Q6 (a model about twice its size). I'm impressed.

How's the Strix Halo? I'd really like to get a local inference machine so that I don't have to use quantized versions of local models.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by Aurornis »

cedws wrote: post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

> Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools

To be clear, since this confuses a lot of people in every thread: Anthropic will let you use their API with any coding tools you want. You just have to go through the public API and pay the same rate as everyone else. They have not "blocked" or "banned" any coding tools from using their API, even though a lot of the clickbait headlines have tried to insinuate as much.

Anthropic never sold subscription plans as being usable with anything other than their own tools. They were specifically offered as a way to use their own apps for a flat monthly fee.

They obviously set the limits and pricing according to typical use patterns of these tools, because the typical users aren't maxing out their credits in every usage window.

Some of the open source tools reverse engineered the protocol (which wasn't hard) and people started using the plans with other tools. This situation went on for a while without enforcement until it got too big to ignore, and they began protecting the private endpoints explicitly.

The subscription plans were never sold as a way to use the API with other programs, but I think they let it slide for a while because it was only a small number of people doing it. Once the tools started getting more popular they started closing loopholes to use the private API with other tools, which shouldn't really come as a surprise.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

eadwu wrote: post #191
vercaemert wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd encourage you to try the -codex family with the highest reasoning. I can't comment on Opus in CC because I've never bit the bullet and paid the subscription, but I have worked my way up to the $200/month Cursor subscription and the 5.2 codex models blow Opus out of the water in my experience (obviously very subjective). I arrived at making plans with Opus and then implementing with the OpenAI model. The speed of…

I've tried nearly all the models, they all work best if and only if you will never handle the code ever again. They suck if you have a solution and want them to implement that solution. I've tried explaining the implementation word and word and it still prefers to create a whole new implementation reimplementing some parts instead of just doing what I tell it to. The only time it works is if I actually give it the co…

There are domains of programming (web front end) where lots of requests can be done pretty well even when you want them done a certain way. Not all, but enough to make it a great tool.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by Tossrock »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #194
Tossrock wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... Claude Code is already cloud-based. It relies on the Anthropic API. Your data is all already being ingested by them. Seems like a weird boundary to draw, trusting the company's model with your data but not their convenience web ui. Being local-only (ie OpenCode & open weights model running on your own hw) is consistent, at least.

It is not a moral stance. I just prefer to have my files of my personal projects in one place. Sure I sync them to GitHub for backup, but I don't use GitHub for anything else in my personal projects. I am not going to use a workflow which relies on checking out my code to some VM where I have to set everything up in a way where it has access to all the tools and dependencies that are already there on my machine. It's…

Ah okay, that makes sense. Sorry they pulled the plug on you!

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by andai »

simonw wrote: post #109
giancarlostoro wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.

I buy the theory that Claude Code is engineered to use things like token caching efficiently, and their Claude Max plans were designed with those optimizations in mind. If people start using the Claude Max plans with other agent harnesses that don't use the same kinds of optimizations the economics may no longer have worked out. (But I also buy that they're going for horizontal control of the stack here and banning o…

When I last checked a few months ago, Anthropic was the only provider that didn't have automatic prompt caching. You had to do it manually (and you could only set checkpoints a few times per context?), and most 3rd party stuff does not.

They seem to have started rejecting 3rd party usage of the sub a few weeks ago, before Claw blew up.

By the way, does anyone know about the Agents SDK? Apparently you can use it with an auth token, is anyone doing that? Or is it likely to get your account in trouble as well?

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