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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by themafia »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

> If a country changes course every four years

Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years. This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference. It has impacts on the market but the market is larger than these minor disturbances by an order of magnitude.

> while keeping the focus on long-term ideas and plans.

We have private business in this country. They're doing just fine.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by Aziz_aze »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

_How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future?_ You can't, and US history is full of that. It's deeply rooted in US culture !

See for example the numerous wars against native Americans in the 19th century; even in some Washington US museum they admin the natives were not wrong when they had to assume any peace treaty was not worth the ink it was written with (and meant "we're only regrouping and will attack again in less than 5 years").

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by miki123211 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #173
shimman wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is the core of a particular brand of politics: neoliberal politics. Where the financialization of everything is what's most important. There was a time, still in lived memory, where the US government was able to complete many types of projects and it also coincided with the period of lowest economic inequality (the great compression), the expansion of civil rights, and had the highest taxes against the elite…

Tax rates are not the same as effective taxes paid, and US taxes as a percent of GDP are at an all time high. This is besides the fact that gdp is many times higher, growing geometrically. It is an interesting question of what changed in terms of ability to execute, but lack of funding isn't the answer. I suspect it is a combination of scope creep, application to intractable problems, and baumols cost disease at work…

Don't forget vetocracy.

Every regulation, whether it's environmental, DEIA or anti-fraud, adds a few steps to each project. With enough regulations and enough steps, things just slow down to a crawl.

As governments and legal systems get older, they get into more and more situations where a bad thing happens, and the politicians must show that they've done something to stop a similar thing from happening again. Nobody can publicly admit that it's fine to letting a 5-year-old kid die once in a while, even if that would be the right call. This results in more and more layers of regulation being added, which nobody has an incentive to remove.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by viccis »

monting wrote: post #187
tehjoker wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet somehow they've managed to eliminate extreme poverty and challenge the U.S. in GDP. Sounds like cope to me. They couldn't do that with extreme corruption like we tolerate in U.S. allies.

They "eliminated" extreme poverty caused by communist control in the first place, by going to a capitalist system. There were tons of economic low-hanging fruits by building out large infrastructure projects, which corruption happily siphoned off of. The ROI of these infra projects have been gone for a while, yet they continued. Also it's been stealing intellectual property, trade dumping, exporting deflation. Soakin…

More cope.

"They eliminated poverty... but at WHAT COST? They did good things but they trampled on the intellectual property of our beloved billionares? *sob*"

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by barbazoo »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #32
petcat wrote: post #24

3 more years. I don't know who the Dems can elect to go against JD Vance, maybe Tim Walz, but they need somebody.

There'll be a ton of people running, any of which I think would be highly competitive against Vance: Walz, Pritzker, Newsom, Chris Murphy, Harris, Josh Shapiro, etc. But I think Mark Kelly is likely to be a top-tier candidate from the jump. He's not my favorite of the bunch, necessarily, but I'd consider putting money on him being the Democratic nominee in 2028.

Interesting you say Newsom. Interesting, interesting very interesting. It’s just interesting you bring up Newsom.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gavin-newsom-short-circu...

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by hvb2 »

themafia wrote: post #191
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

> If a country changes course every four years Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years. This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference. It has impacts on the market but the market is larger than these minor disturbances by an order of magnitude. > while keeping the focus on long-term ideas and plans. We have private business in this country.…

> Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years.

Thats not that much is it given the size and energy demand of the country? And that's over the past 4 years, you'll only see the true impact of this in the next 6 years.

> This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference

Markets are driven by a lot of feelings too. If you're trying to build a wind farm now, why on earth would you do that in the US? There are just many better options.

Your private businesses will happily skip over the US if they understand markets. Don't row upstream, find a place where your investment is wanted

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by viccis »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #167
bmitc wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad truth is that it's millions of people. These people just want to see the world burn due to nothing but narcissism and hate of the imaginary "other side".

There are not in fact millions of people who want to burn the world just to spite others. If you truly believe that then you have really failed to understand people around you, and should try to better empathize. As a rule, people do what they do because they believe it to be the right thing. They might be misguided in that belief, of course, but the idea of millions of people deciding on a cartoonishly evil course o…

Ok. They believe the right people should burn. Wow, what a fucking incredible insight your grandstanding added to this discussion.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by Drupon »

pjdesno wrote: post #9

In the 70s the oil companies were furious that Venezuela (if my understanding is correct) revoked their leases and forced them to abandon their equipment investments. That's basically what the administration was trying to do here, under a legal system which (unlike Venezuela in the 70s) is very keen on protecting corporate investment. It seems like a classic "takings" case.

Were the Venezuelans wrong? Should a country just legally accept its conquerors economically?

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

donkeybeer wrote: post #174
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are not in fact millions of people who want to burn the world just to spite others. If you truly believe that then you have really failed to understand people around you, and should try to better empathize. As a rule, people do what they do because they believe it to be the right thing. They might be misguided in that belief, of course, but the idea of millions of people deciding on a cartoonishly evil course o…

If not evil, then we must admit magas are insane.

Do not ascribe to malice (or insanity) that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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