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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by esskay »

the_real_cher wrote: post #188
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

Theres tons of good cloud providers in the EU.

Name some. Some that match those kinds of services mentioned that people need from AWS.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by dmurray »

ada0000 wrote: post #92
stefanfisk wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense is china bureaucratic when it comes to business?

Tax breaks, operations of state owned industry, other incentives etc are guided by five year plans implemented by a party bureaucracy.

"You can't do X" is a much different experience from "you can do X, but you need to spend a year and thousands of man-hours of paperwork applying for permission to do it".

In China, if the five-year plan prioritizes something, businesses will be up and running in months. In France, if the French parliament enacts a law prioritizing something, businesses still have to fight individual departments or local governments that have their own ideas about how they should regulate it.

Don't confuse bureaucracy for authoritarianism.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by mark_l_watson »

That was a good article, I don’t usually read The Register.

Even as a US citizen, I say: good for Europe!

The world is simply a better place when countries have independence and can be as self reliant as possible.

In the US media there is an ongoing rhetoric that everything in the US is wonderful and everything in the rest of the world is much worse. I am privileged to have travelled widely so I know what a mostly wonderful and friendly world we live in.

I just use a few EU tech products (Hetzner, Proton, Mistral) but they seem good enough to me.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by [deleted] »

atmosx wrote: post #38
abc123abc123 wrote: post #23

This already happened. Hetzner, OVH, and countless other local cloud companies exist. It is only the path of least resistancd and market inertia, that stops companies from switching. I run on Hetzner and am saving big bucks compared to the ridiculously high priced AWS.

Comparing EU cloud providers to AWS is like comparing a 1963 Zastava to 2025 high end BYD because both of them are cars and can drive from point A to point B.

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by 9dev »

no_op wrote: post #162
9dev wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So much cheaper to operate and control. Until you factor in the salaries of the new employees you have to hire now, the cost of that hiring process, the compliance and security implications of operating servers on your premises, the ongoing maintenance of the software and operating systems, the new infrastructure to maintain, including but not limited to backup power supply and overall redundancy, the need to manag…

A lot of this could be standardized and packaged into a product, a modern take on the 'server appliance.' Unpack some gear, plug it together according to a nice diagram, connect to a management console that feels familiar to anyone who's deployed to the cloud.

That's essentially the bet of https://oxide.computer

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by devsda »

ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #47

Can Europe build AI datacenters though? Europe has no wafer production and no companies that produce GPUs. That means it is dependent on Taiwan for wafers and the USA for GPU design. Then there is the question wether there is a will to invest. Gemini gives me this list of publicly traded companies in the US and what they invested in AI infrastructure in 2025: Amazon: $100B Alphabet: $90B Microsoft: $80B Meta: $70B Te…

Is there a use case for AI that open models can't solve ?

Are there really any customers who are demanding AI and threatening to leave if those AI features are missing in every tech adjacent product ?

I think the make or break situation of integrating cutting edge AI for any business is just the hype and fomo at leadership level.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by nxm »

bambax wrote: post #54
adrianN wrote: post #2

I kind of share the opinion of the FSF Europe that it is less important where software comes from compared to whether it’s libre, but for cloud hardware I really hope that we manage to create competitive European offerings. Maybe we’re lucky and this European initiative will produce more than five Fraunhofer institutes and a gift to SAP.

We already have excellent cloud providers in Europe. But most importantly, most businesses using the cloud would be better off with simple on-prem solutions. So much cheaper to operate and control.

No, most wouldn’t. Too much risk and overhead for most companies to do so… most companies should and do just focus on the business value they add, rather than the underlying physical infra

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by 2III7 »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

How about we start creating well optimized software again that doesn't need ridiculous amounts of compute and money?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by s_dev »

esskay wrote: post #191
the_real_cher wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theres tons of good cloud providers in the EU.

Name some. Some that match those kinds of services mentioned that people need from AWS.

https://european-alternatives.eu/

Based on your comment you probably aren't gonna discuss in good faith but move the goalposts each time.

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