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TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

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Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

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Post by card_zero »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #190
card_zero wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, yeah. "Misleading", like you say. That health food guy's a shyster (like the snake oil salesmen of yore), and algorithms can sometimes send a feed into a shyster-like mode. So now we come down to terminology: addiction is the wrong word, deception is the right one. This isn't purely semantic, it's a different kind of hold over people. More cognitive. Sidetrack: I had the idea recently that unscrupulous adverti…

> addiction is the wrong word I used that word mostly because of the name of that book "Hooked". > like the snake oil salesmen of yore the problem is that you could run that guy out of town in the past and his damage was localised. Nowadays he can be the biggest player in town. > Sidetrack: I had the idea recently that unscrupulous advertising might be a tragedy of the commons for the clients en masse, and harmful fo…

Defining advert is hard. Store signage saying "we sell things here" seems essential information. Standing in the street and yelling about bananas and peppers? What if I step that up and yell that I have red hot peppers for sale? People have to know what's available, and I have to be free to sincerely talk it up. Then it can get intrusive and insincere, but you can only police that at the extremes of intrusion and dishonesty.

Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

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Post by Quarrelsome »

card_zero wrote: post #191
Quarrelsome wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> addiction is the wrong word I used that word mostly because of the name of that book "Hooked". > like the snake oil salesmen of yore the problem is that you could run that guy out of town in the past and his damage was localised. Nowadays he can be the biggest player in town. > Sidetrack: I had the idea recently that unscrupulous advertising might be a tragedy of the commons for the clients en masse, and harmful fo…

Defining advert is hard. Store signage saying "we sell things here" seems essential information. Standing in the street and yelling about bananas and peppers? What if I step that up and yell that I have red hot peppers for sale? People have to know what's available, and I have to be free to sincerely talk it up. Then it can get intrusive and insincere, but you can only police that at the extremes of intrusion and dis…

There's no need for insane abstraction, we're talking about motivation for negative effects. Silicon valley hooks our children into unproductive activity where they are often fed misinformation because they want to advertise to them. Entertainment News only wins because it brings in more money for adverts. Nobody cares about a sign in a street or someone yelling in the street.

The answer to this (if it exists) is to withdraw the motivations for spreading misinformation or find another means of tempering their impact.

Idk what the solution is, I just find it odd we make our society obviously worse in order for someone to sell some diet pills or smth.

Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

#194

Post by chrisjj »

penguin_booze wrote: post #192

"Settling" should never be an option. When damaging behaviour comes to light, there should be no closure other than investigating and removing the underlying cause. Paying money doesn't make the crime go away.

It is a private suit. Settling should always be an option.

Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

#195

Post by expedition32 »

dankwizard wrote: post #75

Not sure why poeple don't just put the phone down? We really are the most sheltered gentle generation. Oh no, this app is taking up my time, we need to BAN IT.

Funny I wondered the same thing with opiates. I dislike taking even aspirin so why can't everyone be like me!

Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

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Post by tsoukase »

Large social media (Tiktok, Instagram, Facebook) have made me (and the world?) a great favor and need a login to scroll through their feed. Resist having an account and you are mostly free. It's like in order to get depended on drugs, you give all your privacy to the pharm company.

Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

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Post by mattmaroon »

publicdebates wrote: post #158
mattmaroon wrote: post #155

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Why did KDP stop offering it?

KDP usually cuts off high volume sales at a certain point, in order to give other books a fair amount of copies to print on demand. Usually it takes a few weeks of sales, but I sold so many copies that evening, from a single 10M view video that someone posted, so they cut it off that night for two or three weeks I think.

Since they make money on every sale I’m really confused by that. Why wouldn’t they just expand printing capacity?

In any case congrats that’s awesome. What was the book, if you don’t mind sharing?

Re: TikTok settles just before social media addiction trial to begin

#199

Post by secstate »

card_zero wrote: post #152
callc wrote: post #148

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Wow this is a bad take and a half. Apply the argument to abusing drugs now, and see how this argument throws all nuance out the window.

Well, addictive drugs cause punishment to a quitting user by chemical means. By the way, I'm interested in answers. I don't appreciate this being shot down as a bad take. Give me explanations, not disapproval.

Christ, this is like a textbook definition of sealioning. You've hijacked multiple threads here persistently asking for more and more evidence of their claims. If you don't agree with an argument, provide your own counter evidence. Stop harassing people and do your own work, or stop reading the threads with people you don't think have valid opinions or have no evidence.

At this point, I'd almost think you were a bot yourself, as your oblivious to the social standards of online forums and/or manipulating them intentionally.

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