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FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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This is the administration of the same FDR who stayed in power for 4 consecutive terms, which imprisoned nearly 150k ethnic Japanese, most of them US citizens, without any due process, and which executed one of the biggest power grabs by the federal administration. In a way, FDR was much more impudent towards law than Trump, but he was not publicly arrogant or silly, and WWII has been won under his rule, so he is con…

FDR and the US were actively at war against Hitler and Nazi Germany. The Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. These were two of the worst, period, regimes to ever exist and they carried out absolutely abominable war crimes that are still studied in history books today. Trump and ICE are at war with a middle aged mother and a VA nurse. And they're doing all this in Minneapolis because the gangs in LA scared them off.

Many of the interned Japanese were second or third generation US citizens. It was racism and economic competition, and also pandering to important voter constituences, pretending to have something to do with military circumstances. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

This was done despite multiple reports of the military officers who studied the problem and stated that the Japanese pose no threat, are often US patriots, and need not be isolated.

Imagine Russia interning everyone of Ukrainian descent up to third generation because of the war, and everybody be like "Well, fine, they are doing a reasonable thing, let them go on".

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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iirc, it is not considered official data, so if it makes a mistake and you violate a TFR, YOU are on the hook.

Reading up on this more, it seems to be based on stadium/venue capacity, which means any possible TFRs are at a limited number of areas for very specific series, for which there is data available [1] The TFR in TFA appears to be much more ambiguous than this. I'm not sure they're really comparable. https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/...

Ha!

Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town?

Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Reading up on this more, it seems to be based on stadium/venue capacity, which means any possible TFRs are at a limited number of areas for very specific series, for which there is data available [1] The TFR in TFA appears to be much more ambiguous than this. I'm not sure they're really comparable. https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/...

Ha! Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town? Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.

> SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. QUALIFYING LOCATIONS AND EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE WHERE: A. A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING; OR B. A NASCAR CUP, INDY CAR, OR CHAMP SERIES RACE IS OCCURRING, EXCLUDING QUALIFYING AND PRE-RACE EVENTS.

https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367

I don't disagree with you that there should be no onus on pilots to have to hunt for this information (which is why I would guess that SEAMS is maintained, but not sure) - my point only is that this isn't really comparable to the TFR mentioned in TFA. All the Stadium TFRs are static; the "national defence" TFRs are not.

> Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.

Isn't ATC going to yell at you before you enter such a TFR?

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I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. Fortunately I'm not in the USA. But you couldn't pay me to go there. One man's terrorist...

> I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool." > But you couldn't pay me to go there. Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness.. > One man's terrorist..…

A civil war is coming whether you like it or not.

The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. No matter what crazy shit the gop/tea party/maga have accused the left of NONE of it came to pass until they themselves were in power.

The administration WANTS a civil war; they’re ensuring one happens.

If you’re against owning guns, you’re in for a world of hurt. So buckle-up butter cup, shit is gonna be insane soon.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Ha! Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town? Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.

> SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. QUALIFYING LOCATIONS AND EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE WHERE: A. A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING; OR…

In USA, you are not required to talk to ATC as long as you are outside of controlled airspace. Stupid not to, but 100% legal.

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We blew up shipwrecked survivors a few weeks ago, which is a textbook example of a war crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attac... > Two survivors of the initial attack later appeared to wave at the aircraft after clambering aboard an overturned piece of the hull, before the military killed them in a follow-up strike that also sank the wreckage. It is not clear whether the initial survivors…

Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

Seems relevant to your lecture on military law.

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Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

President immunity as laid out by SCOTUS clearly covers pardons. Including "I'll pardon you and everyone down the chain if you do a war crime" promises.

No it doesn't because the president always had absolute power to pardon.

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Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

It seems extremely relevant. Your argument suggests the president need only appoint a subordinate who will themselves give the desired illegal order without the president's public command. In the unlikely event the subordinate is called to account, the president can simply pardon them. This is certainly not a hypothetical "parade of horribles", since Trump has already pardoned military officers convicted of war crime…

Yes, but that could happen with or without the SC ruling. The president has always had absolute power of pardon.

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But they also said the president can’t be punished for doing illegal things, so what difference does it make?

They made that ruling while Biden was president. It seems hard to call that an example of rubber stamping for an administration that did not exist yet. John Roberts and other conservative members of the court do have an ideological commitment to the Unitary Executive Theory of the presidency (foolishly, in my view) but this has the potential to benefit both Democratic and Republican presidents.

What benefit does it allow for, other than the ability to turn the country into a dictatorship in a matter of hours with a single phone call?

For anyone unaware, one of the main criticisms of that ruling is that the president commanding the military is always considered an official act, and this ruling means the president enjoys "absolute immunity for official acts within an exclusive presidential authority that Congress cannot regulate such as the pardon, command of the military, execution of laws, or control of the executive branch."[0]

The ruling made no carveouts or exceptions for blatantly illegal orders. The president could unilaterally eject or kill any member of opposing political parties and future administrations (if there are any) would be completely unable to legally hold them accountable for their heinous crimes.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States

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