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Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by buildbot »

geaibleu wrote: post #190
buildbot wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, is every change validated by a safety agency? No. I asked a lawyer this question and the answer was “on every level yes you could sue them”. Edit - Further back and forth and depending on the circumstances, comma could be criminally liable. I don’t have a tesla or a car.

You have an auto industry lawyer on retainer to ask hypotheticals on Sunday evening? First answer your own question (and ask lawyer while you at it), is every changed pushed by Tesla reviewed by EU/CA/US regulators? And then explain to me how your Tesla still allowed driver to fall asleep. FYI that was not a singular accident.

Yes I texted a lawyer.

Again, I do not have a Tesla. I have never had a Tesla. I do not plan to own one.

Here’s a 240M dollar judgment against tesla- https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/eenews/2025/08/04...

You think that’ll go better if you hit and maim me with your comma controlled car?

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by geaibleu »

grepfru_it wrote: post #159
letmeinhere wrote: post #32

I'm supposed to entrust my life and others' to this and they're bragging on their home page about GitHub stars?

It’s open source bro, just read the code if you don’t trust it. /s That said I am intimately familiar with the code and it’s pretty well designed with safety in mind. Plus your vehicle has safety parameters that limits the ability for the software to do something insane. That said there are a few stories of open pilot running into a curb, hitting a car in the neighboring lane, etc

Comma is anal about safety. Few years ago they went as far as to ban anyone tinkering with Ford trucks/vans via park assist commands since those had unlimited steeeing torque/angle (and speed spoofing).

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by buildbot »

geaibleu wrote: post #55
guyfromfargo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have one of these and I really enjoy it. No it’s not FSD. There is no navigation at all, you’re correct that it’s “just lane assist”. But the lane assist is next level. I take a few 1,000 mile plus road trips every year and the comma pays for itself every time. Using the stock lane assist, I’m constantly correcting it. The stock assist tries to take an exit, doesn’t handle curves well at all, and any construction o…

I still use old comma branch running with OnePlus phone on Subaru. It works really really well, even on snowy northern roads. The code, from firmware C to python is very well written as well, makes it easy to tune it to your driving habits.

FYI for others, if you are in Washington, you are breaking the law: https://dol.wa.gov/vehicles-and-boats/vehicles/vehicle-regis...

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by geaibleu »

buildbot wrote: post #191
geaibleu wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have an auto industry lawyer on retainer to ask hypotheticals on Sunday evening? First answer your own question (and ask lawyer while you at it), is every changed pushed by Tesla reviewed by EU/CA/US regulators? And then explain to me how your Tesla still allowed driver to fall asleep. FYI that was not a singular accident.

Yes I texted a lawyer. Again, I do not have a Tesla. I have never had a Tesla. I do not plan to own one. Here’s a 240M dollar judgment against tesla- https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/eenews/2025/08/04... You think that’ll go better if you hit and maim me with your comma controlled car?

Your argument went from "cute GitHub project has no safety" to "I get money if tesla maims me".

I must ask you again, if Tesla, an example of your choosing, works with regulators and has every change certified and reviewed then how did they fail basic safety check?

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by nomel »

hobofan wrote: post #134
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #124

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Huh, I'm the exact opposite. With the exception of Hannah Fry's work at deepmind (where she acts as a charismatic proxy for the more nerdy guests), he is by far the best interviewer on technical stuff (AI stuff mostly, but some early robotics stuff as well). He knows the field, he asks pertinent questions and more importantly he knows when to just let the speaker speak. Compared to someone like Dwarkesh, it's night a…

> he knows when to just let the speaker speak I think similar to Joe Rogan that's the main value he provides to listeners. He identifies guests that have some veil of intellectualism and provides them with a platform to speak. However I don't think that makes for an interesting interviewer. There are no challenging questions, only ones he knows will fit into the narrative of what the guest wants to say. I might as we…

What you call "platforming" I often call "listening to what someone says/thinks". Not every interview needs challenging questions, or to be a battle/debate, and sometimes it's not appropriate (above George Hotz being an example, difference in qualifications being another). But, I enjoy trying to understand someone, quirks and all, especially the human aspect, flaws and all. It's interesting seeing the differences in people.

From what I've seen, people that crave "challenging questions" usually most enjoy activist interviewers that are very strongly aligned with their own (usually political) worldview. I don't think that describes Lex Fridman, or me as a listener, at all, and that's fine.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by ActorNightly »

hahahahhaah wrote: post #20
sebmellen wrote: post #2

Comma is my favorite “AI” company. Really incredible piece of tech in a tiny package, and it truly improves your life to have it. I wish it worked with my Mitsubishi Outlander, but just having it on my Corolla is enough. Their supported brand list will definitely factor into my next car buying decision.

I like Comma. I like geohot (I wouldn't want to work for him I imagine it is intense) but I like the contrary attitude and also the product as seen as demoed on youtube.

The problem with geohot is that if there was Musk anounced a medical procedure where men could pay to get pregnant by him, geohot would empty his life savings and be first line line.

Seriously, read his blog, and ctrl-f Elon on any post.

https://geohot.github.io/blog/

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

#198

Post by WithinReason »

testfoobar wrote: post #17

Really impressive tech. I don't understand the insurance ramifications of installing and using this system. Comma's website links to a 7 year old reddit thread: https://comma.ai/support#will-my-insurance-cover-my-car-with... As a driver, if in an accident, could someone reasonably assert that you were not paying attention?

No, Comma has best in class driver monitoring

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by SirMaster »

buildbot wrote: post #194

Anyone using this in Washington is breaking the law, IMO - https://dol.wa.gov/vehicles-and-boats/vehicles/vehicle-regis...

I don’t see anything there that would suggest a comma unit breaks the law.

First off comma isn’t even autonomous, it’s a L2 driver assistance system.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

#200

Post by hobofan »

nomel wrote: post #196
hobofan wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he knows when to just let the speaker speak I think similar to Joe Rogan that's the main value he provides to listeners. He identifies guests that have some veil of intellectualism and provides them with a platform to speak. However I don't think that makes for an interesting interviewer. There are no challenging questions, only ones he knows will fit into the narrative of what the guest wants to say. I might as we…

What you call "platforming" I often call "listening to what someone says/thinks". Not every interview needs challenging questions, or to be a battle/debate, and sometimes it's not appropriate (above George Hotz being an example, difference in qualifications being another). But, I enjoy trying to understand someone, quirks and all, especially the human aspect , flaws and all. It's interesting seeing the differences in…

> Not every interview

No, not every interview. But if an interviewee presents fiction/hatred as fact the interviewer should have the ability to call that out or at least caution the reader with a "I don't know about that".

A specific example that comes to mind is Eric Weinstein's appearance on the podcast and letting him talk about his "long mouse telomere experiment flaws" without questions which at that point had been thoroughly debunked.

I find little interesting "human aspect" to be found therein, as it usually boils down to "you are lying (to us/yourself) for your own gain", which isn't novel.

There are podcasts that do a similar long form format well. A great example is the German format "Alles gesagt?" (~="Nothing left unsaid?"), where interesting personalities can talk for however long hey want, but the interviewers ask interesting/dynamic follow up questions, and also have the journalistic acumen/integrity to push back on certain topics (without souring the mood).

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