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Re: European Alternatives

#191

Isn't it sad that we now have Russian, Chinese, American, European, etc alternatives? I mean I get it, Sept 11 paved the way for FISA orders and NSA overreach, Russia and China reverted back into dictatorship, but Europe is also at the edge. Shouldn't we rather fight that nationalistic power grab that just makes us all poorer and less free? And instead propagate global alternatives that are not subjected by some powe…

The European alternatives are not restricted to Europe.

Qwant seems to be.

Re: European Alternatives

#192

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

You simply don’t need such inflated salaries if schools are free, roads are not broken, trains exist, healthcare is affordable, grocery stores are in biking distance, parks are good and free and plenty, labor laws are in your favour, utilities markets mostly aren’t dysfunctional and a 2-bedroom apartment doesn't cost $10000/m. Americans compare their salaries to European ones but never stop to imagine the insane high…

True. But the systems are more and more breaking down. Its unsustainable. At least what I can tell from Germany and the Netherlands. to see a healthcare specialist, you wait 3-6months in some cases. Not talking about the trains. Germany DB runs on time in only 50% of the cases. So thats a big problem

Re: European Alternatives

#193

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

You simply don’t need such inflated salaries if schools are free, roads are not broken, trains exist, healthcare is affordable, grocery stores are in biking distance, parks are good and free and plenty, labor laws are in your favour, utilities markets mostly aren’t dysfunctional and a 2-bedroom apartment doesn't cost $10000/m. Americans compare their salaries to European ones but never stop to imagine the insane high…

Do you want to live in a school, on the streets, in a train, in a hospital, in a park or in a grocery store?

As long as housing is extremely expensive in Europe, nothing else matters except for higher salaries.

Re: European Alternatives

#194
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For the same reason people on the wrong countries aren't allowed to contribute to US projects. The way things are going it becomes a national security issue where those PR are coming from.

So, to be clear, your reasons for looking for EU alternatives (i.e. that "same reason" you refer to) is that some countries are not allowed to contribute to US projects?

Yes, as it stands we should remove our independence on US, given current geopolitics, when technology can be weaponised.

Re: European Alternatives

#195
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Not sure about Ireland, but Switzerland used to be true, but now it is also far behind since 5+ years. See, Google Zurich vs Seattle https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/greater... https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/greater... Hm, after carefully reviewing the entries seem more or less the same, Zurich slightly lower.

Considering the low taxes and lower cost of living in Zurich (yes, lower than Seattle), and the much higher quality of life, Zurich is a no-brainer.

I'd say if you get a job in the same company, Zurich is competitive. The problem is that if you lose your job at Google in Seattle there are several hundreds of FAANG positions and probably thousands of other 200k$+ SWE jobs you can reapply to. In Zurich you will maybe see a dozen of openings in the small subsidiaries of Apple, Microsoft & Co., and maybe some individual job offers from small AI companies, and applying to any of these positions basically means competing against the whole rest of the continent.

Re: European Alternatives

#196

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

Assuming that people are solely motivated by money, which most aren't. You can't pay me enough to put my children into a school system that has "active shooter" drills. After a certain point money stops being a motivation, that point is well within the average EU tech salary band (perhaps excluding places like Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovenia and that general area).

Re: European Alternatives

#197
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The amount of things wrong is impressive You're confusing Europe and the EU You're forgetting about Ireland and Malta You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others

> You're forgetting about Ireland and Malta In both countries English is only one of the official languages.

Hardly anyone uses Irish in daily life or for official purposes, notwithstanding its official status. 99% of the Irish you hear outside a classroom is performative.

Re: European Alternatives

#198
post #171

Does this hook up with promotion of the EUPL [1] as a preferred license for software? Does it even make more sense for european FOSS authors over the GPL family? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Public_Licence

The EUPL is a fine license, especially if your goal is wide compatibility with other copyleft licenses. However, that compatibility also weakens its own copyleft, which could be surprising if you just read the main text.

Also, the GPL is not as short and has more explicit wording for how it behaves in common situations (like the P2P copying stuff, for example), and it allows certain additional restrictions and exceptions (like what the LGPL is). It's just more well thought-out in my opinion.

Edit: Reading it again, I also just remembered that the EUPL's warranty disclaimer is a lot weaker than usual licenses, and weirdly also asserts the program is a “work in progress”.

Re: European Alternatives

#199

Ugh, back to nationalism. I think there is some sort of Darwinistic reason for this. Maybe its inevitable. Not to say that the US didn't help spur this, but its just sad to see. When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism. Even as Trump started getting aggressive, I kept trying to tell myself: "Well, these other countries surly know that most of the population d…

People in the US need to become more aware of the dramatic impact this current administration has on the world. A paper in the Lancet, not exactly your average leftie rag, extrapolates the deaths resulting from the sudden USAID defunding to amount to about 14 million people. That's about 10x Pol Pot. People around the world distancing themselves from these actions is hardly nationalism. https://www.thelancet.com/jour…

I'm sorry, my cognitive bias says 'Look! See! That proves my point at how great the US is/was.'

1 bad politician elected by a fraction of the population is enough to turn the world against us. Why bother with such altruism when a single election can turn everyone against us?

Re: European Alternatives

#200
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But why? What's unsustainable about an email service, for example, run by competent European engineers at European salaries?

The huge influx of competent European engineers to the US is a real thing.

I don't think that's motivated by money. The US companies simply solved more interesting problems. Working for a start up in the Bay area trying to invent a new industry, or scale systems to global is generally more interesting than working on a CRM system for mid-size lumberyards in Sweden. The CRM system pays well enough to have a comfortable lifestyle and provide for your family, but it's a little boring if you're 25 with a shiny new CS degree.
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