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The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by nerdsniper »

randycupertino wrote: post #143
apexalpha wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever wondered why poor countries are often littered with statues of their leaders? A life of wealth, 0 consequences and only yes-men around you tends to produce these self absorbed people.

Trump taking the peace prize from Machado is a page out of Putin's playbook when Putin stole a superbowl ring from Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots. US secret service had to get involved and tell Kraft to drop the issue and let Putin have it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-vladimir-putin-... > "I took out the ring and showed it to [Putin], and he put it on and he goes, 'I can kill someone with this…

That moment actually has a better Trump analogy, the time Trump stole the FIFA Gold Club World Cup trophy and FIFA had to eventually decide to make a statement that they were giving it to Trump - which is unlike anything that’s ever happened before for a FIFA trophy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/1lzzsmc/trump_kep...

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by lazide »

dh2022 wrote: post #139
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

How about Wilhelm II, the last German Kaiser? Some strong parallels - both were thin-skinned, both were idiots with a short attention span, both damaged relations with traditional allies (in Kaiser's case, these allies were also his relatives), both yielded large power aimlessly. Hopefully Donnie does not start a world war....

Personally I give it a year or less, at the pace things are going.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by atmosx »

pletnes wrote: post #111
istjohn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

I cannot recall Obama doing one single thing for peace internationally? Which conflict did he help stop?

The Nobel Prize was given at the beginning of his tenure. Of course it was a majestic failure because by the end, he held the record of "most dropped bombs by any US president"... IIRC it must have been something 25-30k.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by k1m »

vintermann wrote: post #155
k1m wrote: post #21

Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…

I'm pretty sure he just wants an "I told you so" on the record. I don't think he has many illusions about recourse through the Swedish court system.

I think it's currently the best route to challenge the way the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded. See my earlier comment. In 2012 the Stockholm County Administrative Board ruled that the Swedish Nobel Foundation is legally responsible for ensuring the Norwegian committee follows Alfred Nobel's will. So that's probably a reason Assange went the route he went with the criminal complaint.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by michaelt »

tombert wrote: post #47
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

Are you saying that bombing multiple countries for little to no reason, trying to force a regime change in Venezuela, and threatening to steal Greenland by force isn’t peaceful????

Well duh, he’s got the peace prize ticked off already, thanks to FIFA.

Now he’s aiming for the war prize.

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Post by saila »

nephihaha wrote: post #130
tombert wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He got the prize before he did much mongering though. Also he didn’t try to overthrow an election he lost.

The peace prize is supposed to be about international matters. But somehow many people overlook his warmongering which comes close to Dubya's. Also his Standing Rock betrayal was disgusting.

I agree that Obama wasn't as great as a lot of people make him out to be, but what does that have to do with the current situation?

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by tasuki »

ptero wrote: post #81
TrackerFF wrote: post #24

The other day I read this article about Grigori Perelman, Russian mathematician who declined to accept any medal or prize related to him solving the Poincaré conjecture. He declined the fields medals and millennium prize on the basis that he didn't view himself as a hero, and thought such awards were irrelevant. And then you have Trump, on the complete other side of that spectrum.

Perelman is a strange character; IIRC he declined several times first without bothering to give a reason. Then, after being asked enough times, came up with a "I am not a hero and such awards are irrelevant" as a somewhat acceptable version so those pesky folks would leave him alone. Thus I would not use him as an example of the right way to deal with a prestigious award. That said, the Nobel medal to Trump circus is…

Also this:

> I'm not interested in money or fame, I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo.

Seems like a smart approach.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by Jamesbeam »

tombert wrote: post #39
semicolon_storm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry you got scammed, FIFA awarded me their 100m sprint gold medal so I'm the real fastest 100m runner in the world

You guys are idiots. I got an entire TV network to tell everyone I’m the fastest 100m sprinter in the world so that title should belong to me.

I just revised all the footage from the birds in your area and couldn’t find any proof of your claims.

Lying to the Bird Intelligence Agency is a Feral catcrime.

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Post by tombert »

dfxm12 wrote: post #119
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #10

Sloppy seconds seems to be his thing. I can't imagine being somebody who voted for him and thinking this is what an "alpha" man does, bitch and moan about prizes and recognition instead of actually doing things of value. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a large cohort of people who never admit they voted for Trump in the future out of embarrassment.

I try to talk to Trump voters to understand. I suggest you try as well if you're curious about this stuff. N = a dozen or so, but ones I've talked to care more about his actual political stances, like his white nationalist policies above all else. They see this stuff as entertainment and laugh with Trump as he makes these long established institutions bend to his will.

I honestly think the racist stuff is the primary reason.

They can’t be impressed with his business acumen considering that he’s an objectively terrible businessman. They can’t be impressed with his academic record considering he doesn’t really have one. He has no military history, the only thing people know him from was a terrible reality TV show and his constant need to embellish everything he does.

Well, that, and the fact that he started saying a bunch of really racist shit in 2015 about how Mexico’s “not sending their best”, and how he’s not going to get a fair trial for Trump University because his judge has a Mexican-sounding last name.

I think a lot of his voters are cowards who are deeply unhappy and are too afraid to say that they believe that immigrants and DEI are the sole reason that their lives are terrible.

I find it funny because the reasons their lives are terrible are both more complicated but also simpler than DEI and immigrants. As far as I can tell, nearly all their problems boil down to self-interested sociopaths who have inserted themselves into power, and these sociopaths are completely ambivalent to the consequences of their decisions, so long as it doesn’t directly affect them.

To be clear, this is beyond “capitalism” or anything like that. Sociopaths controlling the world has been a thing for millennia, probably as long we’ve had any concept of “society”.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by dh2022 »

lazide wrote: post #192
dh2022 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about Wilhelm II, the last German Kaiser? Some strong parallels - both were thin-skinned, both were idiots with a short attention span, both damaged relations with traditional allies (in Kaiser's case, these allies were also his relatives), both yielded large power aimlessly. Hopefully Donnie does not start a world war....

Personally I give it a year or less, at the pace things are going.

There is a difference though: Kaiser’s power was un-checked. Currently there are some GOP senators who are looking to check Donnie’s ambitions. a couple of GOP senators said they will not even look at Donnie’s candidate for Fed Chairman role until the current investigation into Jerome Powell stops. And two other GOP senators are pushing a resolution to prevent Donnie from attacking any NATO countries.

Let’s see how it goes.

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