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Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fritzorino »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #182

Being from the UK - one of the privileged few to be tariffed - I couldn’t give a fuck about this. The thing that makes me viscerally angry in my soul though is reading about Greenlanders who are now stocking up on food and/or making plans to leave their country if the worst case happens. What the actual fuck. I can’t believe this is the reality we’re living in. So, tariff away. As someone else said, it’s a badge of h…

Yep, as a former Atlanticist and admirer of the USA, who cares any more? Any opportunity to upset Trump is worth Trump putting up taxes on Americans (aka tariffs).

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by piva00 »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #122
hermanzegerman wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia already fails in Ukraine where they are fighting with our old junk, and the other EU States are kicking their defense industry in full gear. What makes you think they could win a full scale war against the EU

Russia don't have to be able to win a full-scale war against the EU for such a war to break out, it suffices that deterrence breaks down sufficiently that Russia get the idea they can get away with some land grab, e.g. in one of the Baltic countries. The war in Ukraine illustrates very well the difference between perception and reality. Perception counts for deterrence.

The Baltics are protected under the EU defence clause, NATO or not they will be assisted by the EU.

It's already quite clear the US has virtually left NATO, at this point they wouldn't assist at all with a landgrab in the Baltics so I'm glad the EU defence treaty is more forceful about the level of aid/assistance than Article 5.

NATO at this point is virtually dead, there's no trust in the USA and the rhetoric about Greenland has cemented it. Hope the Canucks can join a defence pact with the EU, the Trump admin and its Project 2025 achieved what they wanted.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by piva00 »

bpodgursky wrote: post #88
tpm wrote: post #83

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> can't functionally stand alone against Russia, US pressure, and Chinese economic infiltration / industrial replacement at the same time. No country in the world can do that. That's not a consequence of 'they let their own defenses and industry rot for decades'.

The EU is 450 million people! It's the size of the entire continent of south america! It was the richest part of the world for centuries! They absolutely should be able to function as an independent block with international trade for convenience and not survival.

Not even the US can stand against China by itself...

The EU still has a large military industrial base getting revitalised as we speak, it didn't rot, it simply didn't need to pump out massive amounts of gear until this point.

Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Czechia, etc. all have different kinds of weapons manufacturers. You can even include the UK, and Norway in the mix even though they aren't in the EU.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by piva00 »

instig007 wrote: post #124
saubeidl wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has, in no particular order: - ASML - Nukes - Large proportion of US bonds - One of the wealthiest and most profitable markets in the world - The world's largest trade network - currently aggressively expanding into LatAm with the Mercosur deal despite Trump's Monroe 2.0 ambitions. Just a few off the the top of my head. There's plenty leverage there.

> ASML Who's the customer base of ASML? Are they predominantly based in Europe?

They are predominantly Taiwan, and South Korea.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tim333 »

lyu07282 wrote: post #99
joduplessis wrote: post #26

I wish Europe would just push back. More than what they are currently. There is so much potential there, but somehow the EU all look at the US as some form of idealogical father figure. Excuse the hyperbolic-talk.

It's like when every liberal scoffs at leftists opposing US imperialism, nothing about the power balance has changed. Europe was always a vassal of the empire. This is the liberal international order, this is what that means, not what they tell you it means, but what it actually means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_international_order That's why they can kidnap Maduro, have the BBC censor the word "kidnapped"…

A vassal of who's empire?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by omnimus »

padjo wrote: post #175
omnimus wrote: post #155

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I think you are underestimating how entrenched and strong US lobby is. European governments are filled to the roof with US boosters whos whole wealth is tied to what US wants. Even people like Macron have been bribed by US companies for decades. And now with huge hard right turn in europe all those “nationalists” will just bend over even more to get US lobby money and consulting contracts. They are already tied to na…

I think you have a very poor understanding of European politics. Not even Meloni and Farage will get behind this sort of behaviour from the US.

Farage whos been campaigning for Trump in US multiple times? Meloni who is Elon Musks bestie going on dates together?

Their disapproval of Trump is simply calculation. They would have been hurt too much otherwise. Once most of europe will go their way (europe has huge hard right turn incoming) the rhetoric will change. It will be normalized, they will sell europe in name of anti-regulation, lack of innovation and “incompetence” of other eu states.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by schubidubiduba »

mjmsmith wrote: post #129
voidfunc wrote: post #20

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Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

But would you trust the bat shit crazy US to protect you from Russia?

Sure, if I give them enough mineral resources in exchange. Current US is a thug running a protection racket lmao

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Post by anal_reactor »

voidfunc wrote: post #20
shlip wrote: post #8

We will soon discover if the EU actually as a spine or is just a bendover for the US...(My money is on the latter, and I'm from EU)

Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

> Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides

Neither can the US. Imagine Europe supporting China in exchange for China backstabbing Russia - entire Ukraine and Belarus and maybe even Kaliningrad suddenly are up for grabs for EU while China gets Russian territories that it has historical claims to. Then China gets access to European technology (ASML and Airbus) which means that the US stops having massive technological advantage and suddenly the conquest of Taiwan starts being more realistic. China and Europe are too far away physically to come in direct conflict, especially as EU doesn't care about being a superpower.

This is unimaginable right now, but the more EU decouples from the US because of its unreliability, the more it might actually work out.

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