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Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by amelius »

frizlab wrote: post #119
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

> I think there is a section of programmer who actually do like the actual typing of letters, numbers and special characters into a computer, and for them, I understand LLMs remove the fun part. Exactly me.

Same. However, for me the fun in programming was always a kind of trap that kept me from doing more challenging things.

Now the fun is gone, maybe I can do more important work.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by simonw »

falloutx wrote: post #131

Where is this Anti-AI hype? We are seeing 100x videos of Claude Code & Vibe Coding and then may be we get 1 or 2 people saying "Maybe we should be cautious"

I would count about two-thirds of the comments in this thread as anti-AI hype, and this thread is pretty mild in that regard compared to most other threads here about AI for code.

And this is Hacker News, which you might expect to attract people who thrive on exploring the edges of weird new technology!

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by vmaurin »

antirez wrote: post #126
vmaurin wrote: post #85

> facts are facts, and AI is going to change programming forever Show me these "facts"

If you can't see this by working with Claude Code for a few weeks, I don't want to go into bigger efforts than writing a blog post to convince you. It's not a mission, mine. I just want to communicate with the part of people that are open enough to challenge their ideas and are willing to touch with their hands what is happening. Also, if you tried and failed, it means that either for your domain AI is not good enoug…

I am waiting people to commits their prompt/agents setup instead of the code to call this a changing paradigm. So far it is "just" machine generating code and generating code doesn't solve all the software problem (but yeah they get pretty good at generating code)

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by wasmainiac »

simonw wrote: post #173
wasmainiac wrote: post #168

These personal blogs are starting to feel like Linkdin Lunatic posts, kinda similar. to the optimised floor sweeping blog, “I am excited to provide shareholder value, at minimum wage”

What does it tell you that programmers with the credibility of antirez - and who do not have an AI product to sell you - are writing things like this even when they know a lot of people aren't going to like reading them?

Nothing at all, it just sounds like a desperate post on LinkedIn riding the slight glimmer of hope it will help them land their next position.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by falloutx »

bob1029 wrote: post #65

> Test these new tools, with care, with weeks of work, not in a five minutes test where you can just reinforce your own beliefs. Find a way to multiply yourself, and if it does not work for you, try again every few months. I've been taking a proper whack at the tree every 6 months or so. This time it seems like it might actually fall over. Every prior attempt I could barely justify spending $10-20 in API credits befo…

Wouldn't a lot of us become unemployed anyway if there are 75% less jobs? I don't see how I can use AI better than other people. People who keep their jobs are also not in for a fun time when they will be responsible for 4x the surface. And if you are not in top 7 companies, your company might not fire you but get bankrupt in a couple of years because all the investment is hogged by the top7. This is more of a lose-lose situation.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by CraftingLinks »

dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

Not wrong. But i don't share your concerns at all. I like sharing code and if people, and who knows, machines, can make use of it and provide some value however minute, that makes me content.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by phicoh »

embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

The problem I see is not so much in how you generate the code. It is about how to maintain the code. If you check in the AI generated code unchanged then do you start changing that code by hand later? Do you trust that in the future AI can fix bugs in your code. Or do you clean up the AI generated code first?

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by falloutx »

simonw wrote: post #192
falloutx wrote: post #131

Where is this Anti-AI hype? We are seeing 100x videos of Claude Code & Vibe Coding and then may be we get 1 or 2 people saying "Maybe we should be cautious"

I would count about two-thirds of the comments in this thread as anti-AI hype, and this thread is pretty mild in that regard compared to most other threads here about AI for code. And this is Hacker News, which you might expect to attract people who thrive on exploring the edges of weird new technology!

I mean most of us dont work in our own thing or open source, so making badly thought & designed features faster isn't really a dream. Software already has so much bloat and slop that this way of doing just scares us.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by conorcleary »

falloutx wrote: post #151
adityaathalye wrote: post #27

Don't fall into the "Look ma, no hands" hype. Antirez + LLM + CFO = Billion Dollar Redis company, quite plausibly. /However/ ... As for the delta provided by an LLM to Antirez, outside of Redis (and outside of any problem space he is already intimately familiar with), an Apples to Apples comparison would be he trying this on an equally complex codebase he has no idea about. I'll bet... what Antirez can do with Redis…

if you are very high up the chain like Linus, i think doing vibe coding gives you more feedback than any average dev. So they are having a positive feedback loop. For most of us vibe coding gives 0 advantage. Our software will just sit there and get no views and producing it faster means nothing. In fact, it just scares us that some exec is gonna look at this and write us for low performance because they saw someone…

Less a 'chain' or hierarchy than a lecture hall with cliques. Many of the 'influencers', media personalities, infamous, famous, anyone with a recognizable name - for the most part - was introduced to the tsunami wave of [new tech] at the same time. They may come with advantages, but it's how they get back to the 'top' (for your chain) vs. staying up there.
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