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My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

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Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#191

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Radon is radioactive. The alpha particles it emits can break down polymers and degrade plastics.

If it were radioactive enough to do that, you'd have a much bigger problem than some networking flakiness.

I don’t disagree but your comment made it sound impossible which it isn’t.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#192

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Original Gameboys are military grade, and even in the gulf war when they were used, there was one that survived being melted.

Used for what?

If you had one, you could also buy games in the form of “cartridges”. Putting one of those cartridges into the gameboy would let you play the game for as long as the batteries held out.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#193

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If it were radioactive enough to do that, you'd have a much bigger problem than some networking flakiness.

I don’t disagree but your comment made it sound impossible which it isn’t.

It absolutely is, for all practical purposes. Alpha radiation won't go more than 100 um or so into plastic.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#194

Coiled up high-speed fiber optic cables suffer data-abrasion due to centrifugal forces. Either reduce data speed or arrange those cables in straight lines with space-grade angle connectors.

Worse still, the loop-de-loops can make your packets dizzy which is an unpleasant experience for anyone doing a video call with you and makes games such as VR chat completely untenable.

Yes! Although looping dizziness happens in copper, too.

If you ever experience this, but can't uncoil the transmission cables, a workaround is to spin your desk chair in the opposite direction of data flow, at about the speed of light (for the respective cable medium). This temporary cancels out the effects of ethernet frame looping induced dizziness. Alternatively, you can treat any sickness symptomatically by chewing on a piece of ginger. The latter also helps with aforementioned data-abrasion in fiber optic cables through means not fully understood, yet.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#195
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I’ve had this failure on soft-touch usb cables from the 2000’s, not related to movement, just in a box in room temperature storage they disintegrate like this. It was described to me as thermoplastic elastometer degradation but I’m not really satisfied with that vague of an answer. Main comment thread when I first jumped in to discuss it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28054090

I have a couple of USB cables from the 2000's like this, some of them original apple cables. But most are fine. While some show brittleless, more plstics goes gooey and tarry - especially some ABS coating that makes the material more grippable,like computer mice or binoculars.

With the new information from OP we might have an answer. My phone cables were in box with phone and battery, enclosed space. I believe the battery electrolyte decomposing over the years outgassed and caused the TPE to degrade. mayyybe small amounts of hydrogen fluoride.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#196

Thanks HN folks for all the comments. To clarify a bit, the cables are pulled through PVC conduits under the flooring before being buried in cement. Currently the hypotheses for why the cable disintegrated so quickly is hydrolysis and paint solvents. Singapore is extremely humid but this doesn't explain why the exposed cabling on the other end is still healthy and not crumbly. The second possibility is that I keep th…

next i'd take a look at the network equipment's transceiver signal strengths. ideally over time to see if this has degraded. additionally, take a look at ethernet errors, retransmits, etc.

if you're using 25gbps/sfp28 transceivers, you probably have FEC. if so, you probably have both correctable and uncorrectable error counters to look at.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#197

Thanks HN folks for all the comments. To clarify a bit, the cables are pulled through PVC conduits under the flooring before being buried in cement. Currently the hypotheses for why the cable disintegrated so quickly is hydrolysis and paint solvents. Singapore is extremely humid but this doesn't explain why the exposed cabling on the other end is still healthy and not crumbly. The second possibility is that I keep th…

I see telecoms make loops all the time both indoors and outside. The loops should be strapped together and strapped down though.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#198

What’s the advantage of using fiber optics for home networking over 10Gbe Ethernet?

For me, I wanted my networking to be future proof over the next 25 years if Im going to be putting all that work in to wire up the house. My ISP already offers 5Gb/s upstream and will most likely offer 10Gb/s in the coming years.

I'm kind of going the opposite way. I've got 10gig internet, and I planned on running fiber for future-proofing in our remodel, but the past 20 years has taught me that fiber's day is coming "real soon like now" for a long time... and then copper keeps up because everyone uses it.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#199
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If you buy a consumer product labeled "military grade" you are buying snake oil. And not just snake oil, incredibly over priced snake oil.

FS will literally sell you heavy-duty Armored (e.g. thicker/stronger sheath) cable and the packet it comes in will be labelled "military grade". That's literally your scenario.

Is one supposed to send it back for a refund and order the much thinner, less-durable cable? Or is perhaps the landscape not as black-and-white as your "this is automatically snake-oil"?

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#200
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Mini Cooper. From what I've heard it's a BMW thing.

BMW and Toyota have famously used bio-derived insulation reported to be like catnip for rodents. The bio-oil plasticizers also migrate out more quickly in thermal cycling than the old dead dinosaurs approach. Hilariously, when I asked my mechanic about getting an M5, he laughed and explained that the radiator components are known to turn brittle and crack after 5-6 years because of this. (I don't envy automotive folk…

Last time I had to call AAA to jump my car, the guy opened the hood very carefully and told me he’d had three rats jump out of engines at him that day, presumably because of the “soy wires.”
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